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06-05-2014, 08:06 AM
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I don't think his desertion status is the major question in this .
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06-05-2014, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by buckman
I don't think his desertion status is the major question in this .
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I think it is a big variable. If this guy was a McCain style POW, the 5 for 1 swap wouldn't be the issue it is now... |
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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06-05-2014, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
I think it is a big variable. If this guy was a McCain style POW, the 5 for 1 swap wouldn't be the issue it is now...
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The 5 for 1 swap is an issue primarily for political reasons. These guys were going to be let go within a year regardless. The military used them while they still held value.
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06-05-2014, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
The 5 for 1 swap is an issue primarily for political reasons. These guys were going to be let go within a year regardless. The military used them while they still held value.
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06-05-2014, 09:59 AM
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I've read it several places, one I quoted earlier who was a Bush adviser.
Given the Geneva conventions ruled to apply I don't think we can keep it open indefinitely once we're out of Afghanistan. They'd have to bring these guys to trial in the US which would go nowhere.
The whole process has been a joke. I read that the military commissions have only gotten 7 convictions, 2 were overturned at a cost of 120 million dollars EACH.
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06-05-2014, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
I think it is a big variable. If this guy was a McCain style POW, the 5 for 1 swap wouldn't be the issue it is now...
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Apples and oranges. When we did prisoner exchanges with the North Vietnamese, they were soldiers of a nation that signed the Geneva Convention (I presume). Back then, we released soldiers. These guys are terrorists, and there's a difference.
You're right to call out hypocrisy directed at Obama for things that wouldn't get criticized if a Republican was in the Oval Office. I'm not sure this is a good example of that. I saw Senator Feinstein being very critcal of how it was handled, she's hardly a right-wing hack.
I'm glad the guy is back, let's find out what happened and let him face justice if necessary... |
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06-05-2014, 09:06 AM
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Spence I really think U R right...he only put his weapon down and walked away to find the Taliban and the first person he came across he asked, " can U tell me how to seek out the Taliban." I think he wanted to learn how to grow poppy's knowing that when he got back to the good ole U S he could start farming a cash crop....want to hear another? LMAO... 
I think that carrot juce I have been drinking fermented...LOL...
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06-05-2014, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly Rod
Spence I really think U R right...he only put his weapon down and walked away to find the Taliban and the first person he came across he asked, " can U tell me how to seek out the Taliban." I think he wanted to learn how to grow poppy's knowing that when he got back to the good ole U S he could start farming a cash crop....want to hear another? LMAO...
I think that carrot juce I have been drinking fermented...LOL... |
Evidence appears to indicate he wanted to help Afgan children, not switch teams...we'll see what they determine from his re-entry.
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06-05-2014, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Apples and oranges. When we did prisoner exchanges with the North Vietnamese, they were soldiers of a nation that signed the Geneva Convention (I presume). Back then, we released soldiers. These guys are terrorists, and there's a difference.
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These guys were Afgan Taliban, I don't think they were involved in any international terrorism. Doesn't mean they're nice chaps, but not the same as if they were alQaeda leadership.
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You're right to call out hypocrisy directed at Obama for things that wouldn't get criticized if a Republican was in the Oval Office. I'm not sure this is a good example of that. I saw Senator Feinstein being very critcal of how it was handled, she's hardly a right-wing hack.
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Some of this is genuine I'm sure but also some anger by Dems is a response to the GOP outrage machine they know these actions will provoke. It's amazing how fast they can get in front of a story and cement a false narrative that's pretty soon assumed as fact by everyone.
Fox's relentless attacks toward his parents is particularly disturbing.
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06-05-2014, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
These guys were Afgan Taliban, I don't think they were involved in any international terrorism. Doesn't mean they're nice chaps, but not the same as if they were alQaeda leadership.
Some of this is genuine I'm sure but also some anger by Dems is a response to the GOP outrage machine they know these actions will provoke. It's amazing how fast they can get in front of a story and cement a false narrative that's pretty soon assumed as fact by everyone.
Fox's relentless attacks toward his parents is particularly disturbing.
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"These guys were Afgan Taliban, I don't think they were involved in any international terrorism"
Do you not see the contradiction in that statement? Afghan Taliban are necessarily tied to Al Queda. Afghan Taliban have been in bed with Al Queda, giving them a safe haven, for years and years.
"not the same as if they were alQaeda leadership. "
True on its face, but the organization they belong to is closely affiloiated with Al Queda.
"Fox's relentless attacks toward his parents is particularly disturbing"
If they are attacking his parents, I agree 100%. |
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06-05-2014, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Do you not see the contradiction in that statement? Afghan Taliban are necessarily tied to Al Queda. Afghan Taliban have been in bed with Al Queda, giving them a safe haven, for years and years.
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It's not contradictory, I just don't think the word "terrorist" is tossed around without consideration. Because you're Taliban doesn't automatically make you a terrorist. Even if Afghanistan did manage to stabilize the Taliban will most likely continue to be a political component of it's government.
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True on its face, but the organization they belong to is closely affiloiated with Al Queda.
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I don't believe that's necessarily the case in 2002 when the 5 were captured.
Read this it's really interesting.
http://reason.com/archives/2012/09/0...ladens-revenge
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