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10-13-2020, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Trump has insulted people thousands of times - Biden or Hillary not so much.
Even though she was probably thinking of the Repubs. who lied about Obama's religion and birth Clinton apologized the next day.
Edit - or what wdmso said.
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So it's OK for you to call someone scummy because you didn't do it thousands of times? |
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10-13-2020, 10:43 AM
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So it's OK for you to call someone scummy because you didn't do it thousands of times?
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sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. but I tend to let people slide when comparing that person to someone who does that sort of thing thousands of times. |
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10-13-2020, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Trump has insulted people thousands of times - Biden or Hillary not so much.
Even though she was probably thinking of the Repubs. who lied about Obama's religion and birth Clinton apologized the next day.
Edit - or what wdmso said.
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I have no possible way to deny that Trump insults more often. Obviously that's correct. So a president is allowed a certain number of insults before he's unfit, and by an amazing outcome, Biden and Hilary are below that number, Trump is above. Funny how that always works.
Similarly, it was OK when Obama put kids in cages, but Trump does it too often. Again, the maximum allowable number, coincidentally and not because of politics, is more than Obama did, but less than Trump. |
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10-13-2020, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I have no possible way to deny that Trump insults more often. Obviously that's correct. So a president is allowed a certain number of insults before he's unfit, and by an amazing outcome, Biden and Hilary are below that number, Trump is above. Funny how that always works.So would you treat one of your sons the same way when he says something for the first time vs if he repeatedly does that egregious thing over and over? How about if he apologizes for doing/saying that egregious thing?
Similarly, it was OK when Obama put kids in cages, but Trump does it too often. Again, the maximum allowable number, coincidentally and not because of politics, is more than Obama did, but less than Trump.
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The difference bt when Obama did it and Trump has been explained to you many times. |
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10-13-2020, 07:33 AM
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Isn't it TDS when people defend name callers?
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10-13-2020, 07:47 AM
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I didn’t make a judgment on Barrett’s credentials. If Covita had nominated Matt Goethe or Louie Gohmert the Senate would confirm him, though Collins would have concerns.
Perhaps Olbermann was being sarcastic, humorous or you just misunderstand him.
Like Covita and the standard defense
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10-13-2020, 01:19 PM
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Didn't Bill Clinton say he was sorry and take ownership? Trump hasn't owned anything.
Yes, Bill is a far better person than Trump.
it is not having it both ways it is you trying to make a case for one of the worse people anywhere.
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10-13-2020, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Didn't Bill Clinton say he was sorry and take ownership? Trump hasn't owned anything.
Yes, Bill is a far better person than Trump.
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Clinton is a far better person because he said he was sorry? All will take for Trump is to say he is sorry?
About the Access Hollywood tape, Trump said:
"I’m not proud of it. I apologize to my family. I apologize to the American people. Certainly I’m not proud of it." And "I was wrong and I apologize." |
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10-13-2020, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Clinton is a far better person because he said he was sorry? All will take for Trump is to say he is sorry?
About the Access Hollywood tape, Trump said:
"I’m not proud of it. I apologize to my family. I apologize to the American people. Certainly I’m not proud of it." And "I was wrong and I apologize."
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Good for him for saying that. Did he ever later try to walk that back?
Let him say he is sorry for the thousands of lies, thousands of insults, etc. and I'll no longer say Clinton is a far better person than Trump. |
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10-13-2020, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Didn't Bill Clinton say he was sorry and take ownership? Trump hasn't owned anything.
Yes, Bill is a far better person than Trump.
it is not having it both ways it is you trying to make a case for one of the worse people anywhere.
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Oh good lord. So if Trump apologized, that would be good enough for you? THAT'S what you're saying? |
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10-13-2020, 02:18 PM
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it is not having it both ways it is you trying to make a case for one of the worse people anywhere.
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Yes it is having it both ways. Unethical behavior is only a problem for all of you, when it comes from the right. In some case it's the same exact behavior - no complaints when the left does it, horror when the right does it. Infidelity, putting kids in cages, nominating judges in an election year...how many examples would you like? |
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10-13-2020, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Yes it is having it both ways. No, its notUnethical behavior is only a problem for all of you, when it comes from the right. In some case it's the same exact behavior - no complaints when the left does it, horror when the right does it. Infidelity have Trump say he is sorry and for all his thousands of lies, sound sincere and I won't mention it again., putting kids in cagesas has been explained to you many, many times there where major differences, nominating judges in an election year.I have no problem w/nominating judges in an election year - it is the not bringing them up for a vote that I find scummy..how many examples would you like?
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Trump said sorry but some question the sincerity and supposedly he later questioned if it was him on the tape. |
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10-13-2020, 02:41 PM
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Trump said sorry but some question the sincerity and supposedly he later questioned if it was him on the tape.
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I don't believe either one. But if they said they were sorry, then they met the original criteria for your absolution. Of course, if you keep putting add-ons and stipulations, you can finally figure a way to make their apologies different and make Trump worse. |
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10-13-2020, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
I don't believe either one. But if they said they were sorry, then they met the original criteria for your absolution. Of course, if you keep putting add-ons and stipulations, you can finally figure a way to make their apologies different and make Trump worse.
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he already did. In Trumps case "some" doubted the sincerity of his apology, and that was good enough to ignore the apology and declare Trump worse. I guess the "some" who say Clinton wasn't sincere, aren't as credible as the "some" who determined that Trump isn't sincere. Because that's an exact science. |
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10-13-2020, 03:35 PM
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Trump said sorry but some question the sincerity and supposedly he later questioned if it was him on the tape.
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"I have no problem w/nominating judges in an election year - it is the not bringing them up for a vote that I find scummy"
Oh my God, do you know what the 'Biden rule' is which the republicans relied in when denying the vote?
BIDEN HIMSELF, when Bush was president, said famously that if a president nominates a SCOTUS candidate in an election year, that the senate should refuse a hearing. Biden said that, they call it the Biden Rule!!
So, unless you have no principles, that must mean you think that Biden is scummy.
You really shot yourself in the foot there.
Can't wait to hear your explanation as to why it was OK for Biden to suggest blocking a vote during an election year! |
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10-13-2020, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"I have no problem w/nominating judges in an election year - it is the not bringing them up for a vote that I find scummy"
Oh my God, do you know what the 'Biden rule' is which the republicans relied in when denying the vote?
BIDEN HIMSELF, when Bush was president, said famouslzy that if a president nominates a SCOTUS candidate in an election year, that the senate should refuse a hearing. Biden said that, they call it the Biden Rule!!
So, unless you have no principles, that must mean you think that Biden is scummy.
You really shot yourself in the foot there.
Can't wait to hear your explanation as to why it was OK for Biden to suggest blocking a vote during an election year!
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because Biden was trying to convince people not to do something versus the Republicans who actually refused to do what they were supposed to do, It was much later in the election year and there was no SC vacancy. He was saying they should wait until after the election.
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10-13-2020, 03:37 PM
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Trump said sorry but some question the sincerity and supposedly he later questioned if it was him on the tape.
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so if a president apologizes, you forgive him. Unless "some" doubt the sincerity of the apology, in which case you don't forgive them.
And it's just a coincidence that none of those "some" doubted the sincerity of Bill Clinton's apologies, because he just reeks of sincerity. |
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10-13-2020, 03:01 PM
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10-13-2020, 07:40 PM
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Why is it that writings written in a professional capacity on a specific issue aren’t relevant or instructive to how that person will execute their job, but private personal texts are THE SMOKING GUN for the intention and state of mind of how others did theirs?
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10-13-2020, 08:01 PM
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Why is it that writings written in a professional capacity on a specific issue aren’t relevant or instructive to how that person will execute their job, but private personal texts are THE SMOKING GUN for the intention and state of mind of how others did theirs?
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Well, because if that is how it is in politically driven hearings, then that is how it is. |
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10-13-2020, 08:16 PM
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Sen. Hawkeye to Barrett: "I'm surprised that the Democrats haven't criticized you about your religion today. So let ME go ahead and bring up your religion now and make it an issue."
That's 7 Trumplican Senators that have mentioned her faith repeatedly over two days, and not a word from the D's.
He has nothing else to bring to the table. Just another guy using the GOP playbook of dividing the country through religion, race, and culture. They have absolutely nothing else to run on. Just look at the past 4 years.
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10-13-2020, 09:05 PM
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10-15-2020, 02:24 AM
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well, trump has the democrats fighting with their most reliable media mouthpieces...crazy nancy accuses wolfie and his cnn colleagues of being
"apologists" for republicans??? bizzaro world....it's a magical place
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10-15-2020, 10:49 AM
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Did I miss the promised release by Trump of the so-much-better health plan than the ACA? Or is he releasing his tax returns first?
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10-15-2020, 12:05 PM
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Did I miss the promised release by Trump of the so-much-better health plan than the ACA? Or is he releasing his tax returns first?
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He's already removed the worst part of the ACA and the rest can remain in place until the Repubs gain enough power to pass some of the more free market plans or whatever new thing they can scramble together. The federal government must get out of its debt busting unconstitutional schemes.
His tax returns are in an ongoing dispute and investigation, as you know and have "exposed," the validity of what his tax lawyers/accountants claimed as deductions. That's what he means when he says his returns are under audit. |
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10-15-2020, 10:14 PM
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He's already removed the worst part of the ACA and the rest can remain in place until the Repubs gain enough power to pass some of the more free market plans or whatever new thing they can scramble together. The federal government must get out of its debt busting unconstitutional schemes.
His tax returns are in an ongoing dispute and investigation, as you know and have "exposed," the validity of what his tax lawyers/accountants claimed as deductions. That's what he means when he says his returns are under audit.
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He’s said it’s coming in two weeks many times, sort of like his infrastructure lies.
Which are like his tax and wealth lies.
All lies
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10-15-2020, 10:50 PM
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He’s said it’s coming in two weeks many times, sort of like his infrastructure lies.
Which are like his tax and wealth lies.
All lies
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Blah, blah |
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10-16-2020, 06:49 AM
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Blah, blah
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Another great Presidential quote
Does Biden have to report Donald Trump's town hall as an in-kind contribution?
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10-16-2020, 11:41 AM
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You keep posting Covita’s answers, you must have watched last night
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Yes, in spite of detesting these things called debates which really are not debates, I did watch because my wife asked me to. I think these debates are meant to be hit jobs on Trump. And what I saw last night, confirmed my opinion. If Savannah Guthrie doesn't know that Trump has several times denounced white supremacy in no uncertain terms, something that can be very easily verified, destroys any notion of her being an honest "moderator." And asking the idiot question if Trump would accept a peaceful transition of power after he has had a four year war against against his being elected to power, and when the media she represents has not badgered Biden if he would do the same, exposes what a hack hit job she was trying to perpetrate with her immoderate, prosecutorial method and attitude laced throughout the show with questions meant to influence the jury to convict rather than trying expose any relevant truth.
And yeah, the same dirty prosecutorial trick of withholding evidence, insinuating guilt, and making false accusations, is being exposed, as if we didn't already know what the leftist media is up to. The obvious hypocrisy of the left wing media is in full array as it tries to suppress the latest NY Post's articles on Biden and his son. Ohhh, right, it might be fake, it's not verified, it's in the public interest not to air something that might not be true . . . but it was a duty for four years to print a whole host of continuing accusations about Trump that were far more outrageous and unverified, and accepting illegally provided leaks of investigations which had not yet arrived at a conclusion if those leaks were damaging to Trump.
And yeah, you wallow in this continual blah, blah, blah. |
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10-16-2020, 11:49 AM
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You sound like McEnany playing all the victim cards but ya know if everyone is against you maybe there’s a reason
“TWITTER is against us.
THE MEDIA is against us.
BIG TECH is against us.
THE SWAMP is against us.
THE DEEP STATE is against us.
THE HOLLYWOOD ELITE is against us.
CHINA is against us.
But President Trump has the WORKING MAN AND WOMAN and NOTHING can beat that‼️“
Apparently Russia is for him though.
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