How long will Trump keep government shutdown

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

If you don’t think Trump is highly guilty of obstruction of justice you’re not paying attention.
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maybe i’m not. i have no problem
impeaching him if he committed an impeachable offense. i would
just hope that determination isn’t made by people who are foaming at the mouth with hatred of him.

trump is a unique character in this role, and not in a a good way. the democrats could resist, and do so with dignity. they are not. they are humiliating themselves.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

If you don’t think Trump is highly guilty of obstruction of justice you’re not watching CNN.
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Correct Sir

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

pete i dont have any issue with them saying they want obama to be a one term president. iis nancy pelosi neutral in whether or
kit trump gets a second term? i have no problem with that at all. i’m not saying the gop was accommodating to obama, but i didn’t hear any of the republicans say in public they they were going to “impeach the mother——er.”.

we are witnessing new levels of obstruction here.
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The other party disagreeing is not obstruction, they are allowed to do that in this country. Elections have consequences.
Nothing new here except calling the president a MF, though who knows what Nixon's "expletive deleted" was.
Here is one and there is a list of people who called for Obamas impeachment for various reasons, feel free to hunt them down or Google them up.
At a 2013 town hall meeting with constituents, two years after Obama had released his long-form birth certificate to the public, Congressman Blake Farenthold said that Obama should be impeached due to conspiracy theories relating to Obama's birth certificate. Farenthold said that he thinks that "the House is already out of the barn on this, on the whole birth certificate issue."
According to a July 2014 YouGov poll, 35% of Americans believed President Obama should be impeached, including 68% of Republicans.
Wonder if there is a Poll for that on Trump
Though there is a poll that says:
Fifty-two percent of Americans don’t trust most, or indeed any, polls, according to a … poll

[Jim in CT]

pete i agree that disagreeing isn’t nevessarily obstruction. but opposing a wall that you previously supported, sure looks like pure obstruction.

nothing new? that idiot socialist from queens, alexandria cortez, isn’t new? the new congresswomen from MN who called jews “evil’, and who nancy pelosi put in the foreign affairs committee, isn’t new? democrats sitting during the SOTU when Trump brags about low black unemployment isn’t new? i don’t remember this lunacy before. calling a wall immiral and racist isn’t new? walls are racist? itnoring that the economy is roaring, isn’t new? boy when the economy improved under obama, that good news was everywhere.

yes elections have consequences. remember that if ginsberg retires.
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[Pete F.]

Read this and see if you can tell me what the Trump administration wants to do with a wall, notice that he asked for 1.6 Billion not 5+
https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/693488.pdf

I budget and plan construction projects everyday, that is not the way to do it cost effectively.
As far as AOC goes, while I don't agree with her viewpoints, she makes Trump look like an amateur at social media and hopefully will get more young people to vote. They likely won't all agree with her either, but perhaps the Republicans should think about how to attract them. They are not doing well with that demographic now and it will grow as all the Republicans get grayer and grayer.
I believe she called Israel evil and America's view of Israel and Palestine is a false tale, look beyond the propaganda that you are fed on that. There are more sides to that story than we are told.
Better look at Obama's SOTU and see who was sitting and when
The wall and racists is political spin on both sides.
When the economy improved under Obama, Republicans were blatting about the deficit, now with Trump the economy is still improving and Republicans as usual are growing the deficit with few complaints.
Whatever happened to infrastructure, anyways?

[Jim in CT]

Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false. Sorry Spence. according to Mueller, this is fake news. not al news bashing trump is fake. but some is. because the media, like
others, cares more about bringing him down than about the truth.

if mueller’s camp is correct, which they ought to know.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false. Sorry Spence. according to Mueller, this is fake news. not al news bashing trump is fake. but some is. because the media, like
others, cares more about bringing him down than about the truth.

if mueller’s camp is correct, which they ought to know.

Now you believe Muller . And TRuth ..... until now it's been a witch hunt and fake

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Now you believe Muller . And TRuth ..... until now it's been a witch hunt and fake

oh man you’re
precious. has
Mueller ever said
Anything that people
widely didn’t believe? you’re suggesting Mueller is
lying to protect Trump? nah you’re not biased!!

what evidence could
youmpoasibly have, that buzzfeed is correct and mueller is lying? Just because you WANT that to be true, doesn’t make it true. i know how sad you are. hang in there.

oh and Roman Farrow is also lying to make Trump look good?

you are bonkers.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false. Sorry Spence. according to Mueller, this is fake news. not al news bashing trump is fake. but some is. because the media, like
others, cares more about bringing him down than about the truth.

if mueller’s camp is correct, which they ought to know.

It doesn’t mean it’s fake, more likely just confused. Remember there are multiple investigations. The leaks may have come from the Southern District of NY investigation and not the Mueller investigation which doesn’t have any history of leaking.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT View Post

Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false.

Originally Posted by spence

It doesn’t mean it’s fake

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[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false

No, if you’d bother to read that’s not what the Mueller investigation statement said.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It doesn’t mean it’s fake, more likely just confused. Remember there are multiple investigations. The leaks may have come from the Southern District of NY investigation and not the Mueller investigation which doesn’t have any history of leaking.
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how is your explanation “more likely “ than the
notion that buzzfeed got conned by a dishonest source? what do you know, which makes that more likely? please share?

i know how hot and bothered you were at the possibilities here, and now you have to take a cold
shower. i’m sorry.
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[Jim in CT]

CNN said this
morning that the buzzfeed story is “100 percent true”.

but russia!!!
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[Jim in CT]

and Ronan Farrow is saying he had the story also, and refused to run it, because he found serious issues with the supposed sources. but it was good enough for buzzfeed and CNN.

but trump is lying when he complains of fake news.
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1160036]and Ronan Farrow is saying he had the story also, and refused to run it, because he found serious issues with the supposed sources. but it was good enough for buzzfeed and CNN.

but trump is lying when he complains of fake news.
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All coverage I heard or read clearly stated the story had not been coberated by other sources

Yes trump is lying about fake news .?

And your making fake claims that CNN said the buzz feed story is 100% true


This may be the smoking gun in the Russia investigation is this your 100%

[Jim in CT]

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and Ronan Farrow is saying he had the story also, and refused to run it, because he found serious issues with the supposed sources. but it was good enough for buzzfeed and CNN.

but trump is lying when he complains of fake news.
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All coverage I heard or read clearly stated the story had not been coberated by other sources

Yes trump is lying about fake news .?

And your making fake claims that CNN said the buzz feed story is 100% true


This may be the smoking gun in the Russia investigation is this your 100%

cnn mornings show said
it was 100 percent true.

this isn’t fake news?
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1160040]

Originally Posted by wdmso

cnn mornings show said
it was 100 percent true.

this isn’t fake news?
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So if you find your needle in 1 haystack .. it’s true. Like you can keep your doctor statement you present as a lie Constantly. Even though millions kept their doctor

Did Bush’s lie when he said no new taxes ? I suggest no because at that time he ment it.. then events changed

Also Miller’s Team did not say the story was not true or false. That it was not accurate now why would they frame it those Terms?
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[Jim in CT]

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So if you find your needle in 1 haystack .. it’s true. Like you can keep your doctor statement you present as a lie Constantly. Even though millions kept their doctor

Did Bush’s lie when he said no new taxes ? I suggest no because at that time he ment it.. then events changed

Also Miller’s Team did not say the story was not true or false. That it was not accurate now why would they frame it those Terms?
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i don’t think obama lies about keeping your doctor, i think he was just wrong. i think he believed it when he said it.

you really don’t know how to make an argument. it doesn’t matter how many were able to keep their doctor...all that matters, is whether or not a
meaningful number we’re unable to keep their doctor. it’s like the wall, you think you can prove the wall doesn’t work by stating that it won’t stop everyone, when no one has ever said it will stop everyone.

you are correct that muellers statement leaves some questions unanswered. but roman farrow, a diehard liberal, refused to run the story because he doubted the sources. so it’s not just the mueller statement.

the press is, in effect, attempting a coup. they hate trump, they can’t bear to wait until the next fair election, so they decided to do everything they can to get him booted. obviously he’s not an innocent bystander, there’s smoke there that needs a fair investigation. but there’s also plenty of smoke with hilary, and the media would
not be doing this, not to this extent, if she had won.

the media isn’t seeking truth. they are seeking a way to get rid of trump. it’s not supposed to work that way. the country needs, really needs especially with a guy like trump, a free and fair and honest press. not one that attacks his wife’s wardrobe or christmas decorations.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and Ronan Farrow is saying he had the story also, and refused to run it, because he found serious issues with the supposed sources. but it was good enough for buzzfeed and CNN.
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This isn’t what he said. You should reread.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

This isn’t what he said. You should reread.
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farrow found doubts as to whether or not there was evidence trump
ordered the
lying.

i can read . you should stop acting like every anti trump rumor is a cure for ED.

https://masscentral.com/ronan-farrow...zfeeds-coffin/
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[Jim in CT]

Spence, it doesn’t mean it’s fake i guess. it does mean that buzzfeed and cnn cares
more about smearing trump than they cared about getting it right. they don’t like him, and instead of working to beat him fairly in the next election, they’re endlessly smearing him.

CNN is reporting today that Trump started the Chicago fire, and framed Mrs O’Learys cow.

this is all a joke. and i’m in favor of investigating the guy, but as often happens with the left, this is deranged, and contrary to the principles we were founded on. the media
isn’t looking for truth, they have already decided the desired outcome.
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[Got Stripers]

If the story is false, shame on them for fanning the flames, it’s not like the fires of desent needed more fuel. We aren’t going to get all the truth until mueller is ready to report his findings.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

If the story is false, shame on them for fanning the flames, it’s not like the fires of desent needed more fuel. We aren’t going to get all the truth until mueller is ready to report his findings.
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Ronan Farrow wouldn't run it. He's a diehard liberal.

[Slipknot]

What this guy is pointing out - is exactly why the Democrats are raising holy hell about the shutdown. They realize a good portion of their voting base just lost their jobs.

Sooner or later a lot of these Federal employees are going to HAVE TO go find other jobs just to keep going. The Nightly News references this every single night when it constantly finds a new family that "only has a week of savings".

Trump must have heard somebody say "starve the beast" - and actually figured out what it meant.


https://tteclod.wordpress.com/2019/0...he-resistance/
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

What this guy is pointing out - is exactly why the Democrats are raising holy hell about the shutdown. They realize a good portion of their voting base just lost their jobs.

Sooner or later a lot of these Federal employees are going to HAVE TO go find other jobs just to keep going. The Nightly News references this every single night when it constantly finds a new family that "only has a week of savings".

Trump must have heard somebody say "starve the beast" - and actually figured out what it meant.


https://tteclod.wordpress.com/2019/0...he-resistance/
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He’s just draining the swamp.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

What this guy is pointing out - is exactly why the Democrats are raising holy hell about the shutdown. They realize a good portion of their voting base just lost their jobs.

Sooner or later a lot of these Federal employees are going to HAVE TO go find other jobs just to keep going. The Nightly News references this every single night when it constantly finds a new family that "only has a week of savings".

Trump must have heard somebody say "starve the beast" - and actually figured out what it meant.


https://tteclod.wordpress.com/2019/0...he-resistance/
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Just another anti Government rant ,,, willing to destroy working Americans ... cloaked in the Argument of Saving America or MAGA

[Nebe]

Mueller might be saying something isn’t factually correct when in fact it’s very close to being correct.
#lockthemup
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Mueller might be saying something isn’t factually correct when in fact it’s very close to being correct.
#lockthemup
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maybe. and maybe the media can go back to reporting the news. you know, stuff that actually happened.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Mueller might be saying something isn’t factually correct when in fact it’s very close to being correct.
#lockthemup
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I think it’s more simple than that, Mueller’s office is just saying the leak didn’t come from his investigation.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think it’s more simple than that, Mueller’s office is just saying the leak didn’t come from his investigation.
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based on what?
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