NRA

[Fishpart]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm no fan of access to anything that resembles the style of weapons that are legitmiately needed by the military, even if the resemblance is limited to appearance...

Jim, I am also a vet and have seen the devastaion these weapons are capeable of, but I am on the side of the people. Ultimately the intent of the Framers was to prevent Tyrrany by making the government afraid of the people. With that in mind, we should have access to the best available technology.

That being said, for anyone to claim that Obama's plan will have a noticable impact on 'gun violence' is ludicrous. 99.99% of gun deaths do not involve the things being banned, this ban will not help the poor black youths in Chicago or in Washington DC.

It's such an obvious, predictable, looks-great-but-won't-do-anything proposal. Better yet, he surrounds himself with cute little kids. That way, if anyone dares to diasgree with Obama, they are painted as being in favor of gunning down little children, as well as racist obviously.

This is precisely what you get when you have an utterly empty suit for a President. It's exactly what I'd expect from a guy who can't get one right even by accident.

There are far more critical issues the Pres should be working on right now, we are falling into a Fiscal Abyss and he has the country focused on disarming themselves. Typical smoke and mirrors of Fundamental Change.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Fishpart

There are far more critical issues the Pres should be working on right now, we are falling into a Fiscal Abyss and he has the country focused on disarming themselves. Typical smoke and mirrors of Fundamental Change.

"the intent of the Framers was to prevent Tyrrany by making the government afraid of the people. With that in mind, we should have access to the best available technology."

I agree that was the framers intent. However, if someone genuinely believes that the only thing stopping the Marine Corps or the 82nd Airborne from attacking them is the possibility they might be armed...I'd say that person is extremely paranoid and not that bright.

If you want to keep those guns legal on the grounds that banning them is constitutional, I think you could have a valid point. If you say that citizens genuinely need these weapons to keep the federal gov't at bay, I don't think that argument holds water anymore. There are too many safeguards guaranteeing that can't happen.

"There are far more critical issues the Pres should be working on right now"

On that, I absolutely agree 100%. Even if you ignore the economy and say that violence is the most pressing issue, these bans won't do anything. 99.999% of crime is not committed with these weapons. In my opinion, that doesn't mean that some good can't be done by banning them (though we need to also talk aboutthe constitutionality of any proposed ban)...but far more good could be done by addressing the problem of violence at its source, which is family dysfunction, poverty, and mental illness. This ban does absolutely nothing to address these things.

[Rockport24]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If you want to keep those guns legal on the grounds that banning them is constitutional, I think you could have a valid point. If you say that citizens genuinely need these weapons to keep the federal gov't at bay, I don't think that argument holds water anymore. There are too many safeguards guaranteeing that can't happen.
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Agreed, and on top of that, I don't care how many semi-auto AR-15s you have, you're going to be no match for a 50-cal machine gun or a Gatling....

Oh and the other funny thing about all of this is that its only helping the gun industry, Ruger stock is up...
A friend of mine purchased a gun a few weeks ago and he said he waited almost an hour just to talk to a sales person because there were so many people buying...