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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

But couldn't that information be applied to improve the grassroots organization of any goal with any objective?

If my mission is to lower taxes, wouldn't the first step be to rub resentments to fan the flames and create a mass army of people? Otherwise why would anyone want to change anything?

Isn't this exactly what the Tea Party is doing?

This thread is a severe departure from your usually low standards.

-spence

not at all, Alynski sought with his "rules" to subvert and turn on their head existing American institutions through aggressive and destructive means, note that in his "rules" he always refers to the "enemy"...and replace them with something tending toward communism...the Tea Party is organized as a call to maintain adherence to the US Constitution and our founding principles...you don't see the difference???? this is very instructive...keep talking... yikes..

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

not at all, Alynski sought with his "rules" to subvert and turn on their head existing American institutions through aggressive and destructive means, note that in his "rules" he always refers to the "enemy"...and replace them with something tending toward communism...the Tea Party is organized as a call to maintain adherence to the US Constitution and our founding principles...you don't see the difference???? this is very instructive...keep talking... yikes..

Yet again, you're completely missing the point.

-spence

[Nebe]

YOU ARE NOW ENTERING THE SPENCE SCOTTW ARGU-MENTAL TIME CONTINUUM...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

YOU ARE NOW ENTERING THE SPENCE SCOTTW ARGU-MENTAL TIME CONTINUUM...

You assume there's an equally valid counter point. This offends me.

-spence

[Nebe]

go screw a jesus pony

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Yet again, you're completely missing the point.

-spence

Actually, you're missing your own point. If Alinsky's rules can apply to grassroots with any goal with any objective (which they don't), and if you believe that the Tea Party is doing just that without even reading and applying Alinsky's rules, then why is it necessary to read his version? If it is so natural that organizations do so in a spontaneous way, his rules are superfluous.

If you're suggesting that there are these universally natural methods interweaved in his otherwise RADICAL treatise, what is the benefit to reading it just to pick out the "good" stuff? Are the NEA members so stupid that they can't do what comes naturally to others, but must read a radical treatise and then be smart enough to pick out the simply organizational stuff and disregard the point of his rules? Are there other manuals of organization that are not politically oriented to which the members can be referred?