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02-18-2009, 07:43 PM
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sick of bluefish
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anyone remember the Surge? You know, it was debated endlessly by congress, on all the news, internet, and after weeks, or was it months. There were more protests? Bush came on the news and addressed the nation? Well that was for sending 20,000 additonal troops to Iraq. He layed out the reasons why we needed to do it.
Today Obama arranged to send 17,000 troops to afghanistan. No debate, no discussion, no agreement. And most importantly no reason WHY.
1. As Americans you should be questioning this.
2. As Obama supporters, you should be appalled at his lack of transparency and his total lack of objective in committing troops to war.
Am I the only one that sees this? Why am I the only one angry? How many promises has this guy broken in just a month?
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02-18-2009, 08:58 PM
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Old Guy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
anyone remember the Surge? You know, it was debated endlessly by congress, on all the news, internet, and after weeks, or was it months. There were more protests? Bush came on the news and addressed the nation? Well that was for sending 20,000 additonal troops to Iraq. He layed out the reasons why we needed to do it.
Today Obama arranged to send 17,000 troops to afghanistan. No debate, no discussion, no agreement. And most importantly no reason WHY.
1. As Americans you should be questioning this.
2. As Obama supporters, you should be appalled at his lack of transparency and his total lack of objective in committing troops to war.
Am I the only one that sees this? Why am I the only one angry? How many promises has this guy broken in just a month?
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I believe he said during the campaign he would be doing this, but only 7,000 during the transition the count went up to 30,000. And it was troops that had been previously positioned for Iraq.
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02-18-2009, 08:58 PM
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Old Guy
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02-19-2009, 01:33 AM
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Registered User
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
anyone remember the Surge? You know, it was debated endlessly by congress, on all the news, internet, and after weeks, or was it months. There were more protests? Bush came on the news and addressed the nation? Well that was for sending 20,000 additonal troops to Iraq. He layed out the reasons why we needed to do it.
Today Obama arranged to send 17,000 troops to afghanistan. No debate, no discussion, no agreement. And most importantly no reason WHY.
1. As Americans you should be questioning this.
2. As Obama supporters, you should be appalled at his lack of transparency and his total lack of objective in committing troops to war.
Am I the only one that sees this? Why am I the only one angry? How many promises has this guy broken in just a month?
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Actually, transparency and keeping a campaign promise is exactly what he's doing. That's why noone is questioning this and why us "Obama supporters" are not "appalled at his lack of transparency."
I know you conservatives are used to being told one thing and then nothing happening. Fortunately, action is something I can get used to.
I appreciate the re-evaluation of focus on the true reason we are in the Middle East. Afghanistan is where the War on Terror is. Iraq is where Bush's war on "the man who tried to kill my dad" is.
Cite for Bush's quote. http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLI...bush.war.talk/
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02-19-2009, 09:10 AM
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sick of bluefish
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
Actually, transparency and keeping a campaign promise is exactly what he's doing. That's why noone is questioning this and why us "Obama supporters" are not "appalled at his lack of transparency."
I know you conservatives are used to being told one thing and then nothing happening. Fortunately, action is something I can get used to.
I appreciate the re-evaluation of focus on the true reason we are in the Middle East. Afghanistan is where the War on Terror is. Iraq is where Bush's war on "the man who tried to kill my dad" is.
Cite for Bush's quote. http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLI...bush.war.talk/
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action is what you condemned Bush for and O gets a free pass. So Obama sends 17000 troops, no approval from Congress, no debate and most importantly no goal. He is sending them into a war 5X as win-less as Iraq and does not even address the country. I give up, you guys are seriously helpless and blind.
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02-19-2009, 09:21 AM
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lobster = striper bait
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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
action is what you condemned Bush for and O gets a free pass.
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Action yes.
IN THE WRONG EFFING COUNTRY.
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Ski Quicks Hole
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02-19-2009, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
action is what you condemned Bush for and O gets a free pass. So Obama sends 17000 troops, no approval from Congress, no debate and most importantly no goal. He is sending them into a war 5X as win-less as Iraq and does not even address the country. I give up, you guys are seriously helpless and blind.
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Obama made this a campaign promise and was elected on it. Besides, these are troops that the Pentagon has requested.
If anything you could argue that there's not a clear endgame on the table that this action is in support of, but no, you have to make this about Bush.
Afghanistan isn't 5X win-less either, but the definition of success is much different from Iraq. We need to kill Bin Laden and let every tribal leader in Afghanistan know that if they support terrorism we'll fire bomb their villages.
-spence
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02-19-2009, 10:03 AM
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sick of bluefish
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Originally Posted by spence
Obama made this a campaign promise and was elected on it. Besides, these are troops that the Pentagon has requested.
If anything you could argue that there's not a clear endgame on the table that this action is in support of, but no, you have to make this about Bush.
Afghanistan isn't 5X win-less either, but the definition of success is much different from Iraq. We need to kill Bin Laden and let every tribal leader in Afghanistan know that if they support terrorism we'll fire bomb their villages.
-spence
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If you'd care to read above, I asked a number of times what the goal is aka, the end game.
Fire bomb their villages? That will be the day.
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02-19-2009, 11:06 AM
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Old Guy
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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
If you'd care to read above, I asked a number of times what the goal is aka, the end game.
Fire bomb their villages? That will be the day.
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Fire bombing villages made of stone really doesn't help.
These people in Afghanistan have been oppressed for years, the Taliban is a bunch of terrorist extremists. Just much stronger then the rival warlords in that the control most of the opium production and export now.
Our puppet government in Afghanistan is corrupt and without power, unfortunately.
We do need an agenda and a clear end-game. I have friends who have been in there twice and the last tour found it much worse in regards to Taliban operations than it was the first time. The first time he was in an advisory mode with feuding warlords, the second he was operational deployed with US forces, much like what is going to happen now
At the moment it appears to be diplomacy by force, however every time we knock someone down, yet another faction or splintered factions surface in their place.
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02-19-2009, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by striperman36
Fire bombing villages made of stone really doesn't help.
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Not everything is made of stone.
But the point is, the warlords who really control Afghanistan are just looking out for their own interests and will never respect a central authority. Even the Taliban had only limited control over the country.
Afghanistan will never be a democracy or anything that resembles one. They like to fight as well, on a documentary once a proud Afghan remarked that to them war was like a habbit.
-spence
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