national murder rate highest in 25 years

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

From National Bureau of Economic research:
"During the 1990s, crime rates in New York City dropped dramatically, even more than in the United States as a whole. Violent crime declined by more than 56 percent in the City, compared to about 28 percent in the nation as whole. Property crimes tumbled by about 65 percent, but fell only 26 percent nationally."

Giuliani was mayor most of those years.

Trend started before Giuliani

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Trend started before Giuliani

ok. contrary to what most people
think, you’re right, Rudy didn’t do anything to reduce violent crime
i’m new york city. stop and frisk didn’t do anything, because he’s a republican.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ok. contrary to what most people
think, you’re right, Rudy didn’t do anything to reduce violent crime
i’m new york city. stop and frisk didn’t do anything, because he’s a republican.
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Never said he didn't have any impact. The decr. was as a result of numerous things done in numerous places and took place all across the US.

Was the Fox article a follow up to one they did the year before discussing how the murder rate was the highest it has been in 20 years and increased 30% (which may have been one of the largest increases in our history)?

As an actuary would you only look at the smaller 2021 increase while ignoring the huge 30% increase in 2020?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Never said he didn't have any impact. The decr. was as a result of numerous things done in numerous places and took place all across the US.

Was the Fox article a follow up to one they did the year before discussing how the murder rate was the highest it has been in 20 years and increased 30% (which may have been one of the largest increases in our history)?

As an actuary would you only look at the smaller 2021 increase while ignoring the huge 30% increase in 2020?

no, i wouldn’t only look at one year. we started demonizing cops, and coddling criminals, before biden took office
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

no, i wouldn’t only look at one year. we started demonizing cops, and coddling criminals, before biden took office
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I know, look at what happened on 1/6 and they way cops where treated.

So it appears Fox didn't do an article last year when we had one of the largest increases in recent history (at least 30 years).

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I know, look at what happened on 1/6 and they way cops where treated.

So it appears Fox didn't do an article last year when we had one of the largest increases in recent history (at least 30 years).

the whole
right is blaming the capital
police? that’s what you’re saying?

one bad cop, with a demonstrated history of being stupid with his gun, shot a tiny woman to death with no warning, and i don’t see an argument that she posed an immediate lethal threat to anyone. the cop who killed her, testified he couldn’t see her hands.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I know, look at what happened on 1/6 and they way cops where treated.

So it appears Fox didn't do an article last year when we had one of the largest increases in recent history (at least 30 years).

i don’t know if fox did. but i wouldn’t deny crime was on the rise before then. mostly for reasons that your side refuses to concede need addressing.

rising violent crime, one more headwind your side is facing. because your sides solutions ( fewer cops, fewer crimes being prosecuted, coddling criminals) don’t make sense to anyone to the right of Pete. and a huge swath of america is to the right of Pete.

That was a problem for democrats in VA and NJ. Potentially Looks like it’s going to be a similar problem for them everywhere later this year.

Bill Clinton tried lefty liberalism. He had the brains to see it didn’t work, and he tried ( thanks in part to Newt Gingrich) a different approach, and he helped usher in massive economic growth.

Liberals cannot react rationally to failure anymore. it’s always more of the same. They’re not capable of saying “well that didn’t work, let’s try something else.”


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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Trend started before Giuliani

He took it to a significantly higher (2X) level. And NY became safer than other big cities compared to which it had previously been more dangerous.

The "trend" was not as significant in the nation, as it was in NY city.