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11-19-2018, 01:19 PM
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see other thread...
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I'm not going to look at another thread for your posts. If your posts are longer than a sentence I usually ignore them due to expected snarky nature of the majority of them. |
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11-19-2018, 03:03 PM
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I'm not going to look at another thread for your posts. If your posts are longer than a sentence I usually ignore them due to expected snarky nature of the majority of them.
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You don't miss anything if you block him |
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11-19-2018, 03:05 PM
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You don't miss anything if you block him
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he needs the attention... |
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11-19-2018, 04:05 PM
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Simple, just look at Trump's obsession with ratings as a barometer of success (he calls polls ratings and I guarantee he knows what Fox's ratings were for his interview yesterday), his love of pageantry (we need a parade like that), and his failure to observe that there is a difference between rumor and fact.
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
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11-19-2018, 04:18 PM
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Pete...you remind me of Tickle from Moonshiners...was that you?
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11-19-2018, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
Pete...you remind me of Tickle from Moonshiners...was that you?
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11-20-2018, 09:07 AM
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Pete's correct in my opinion (well in this case)
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Pete...you remind me of Tickle from Moonshiners...was that you?
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Nahhh, nothing like Tickle |
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11-20-2018, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Pete's correct in my opinion (well in this case)
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11-20-2018, 11:57 AM
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My understanding is that controlled burns in CA are hard because of the climate as well as proximity to large cities that already have poor air quality much of the time. They have to evaluate all this before a burn permit is issued.
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11-20-2018, 12:12 PM
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My understanding is that controlled burns in CA are hard because of the climate as well as proximity to large cities that already have poor air quality much of the time. They have to evaluate all this before a burn permit is issued.
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Sounds like California is an environmental mess from the git go. |
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11-20-2018, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
My understanding is that controlled burns in CA are hard because of the climate as well as proximity to large cities that already have poor air quality much of the time. They have to evaluate all this before a burn permit is issued.
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How about some controlled clear cutting |
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11-20-2018, 04:03 PM
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How about some controlled clear cutting
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Firefighters immediately pointed out errors in Trump's assertions. The Woolsey Fire started not in a forest but on a hillside near Simi Valley before spreading to suburban communities, while the Camp Fire is burning in an area thinned by fire 10 years ago. Forest management didn't cause these blazes and California is considered a leader in Forest management on private lands.
“Prescribed burns alone will not stop that, but it is a tool that we can use to reduce the effect of those large fires, . again facts dont matter |
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11-20-2018, 05:24 PM
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Firefighters immediately pointed out errors in Trump's assertions. The Woolsey Fire started not in a forest but on a hillside near Simi Valley before spreading to suburban communities, while the Camp Fire is burning in an area thinned by fire 10 years ago. Forest management didn't cause these blazes and California is considered a leader in Forest management on private lands.
“Prescribed burns alone will not stop that, but it is a tool that we can use to reduce the effect of those large fires, . again facts dont matter
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So Spence mentions the issues with permitting controlled burns and I make an alternative suggestion about clear cutting and your response is "But Trump" and "Facts"
Today they started selling recreational marijuana in mass, I suggest you partake, it may loosen you up a bit.
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11-21-2018, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
How about some controlled clear cutting
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They’ve actually done a lot of this over the last decade.
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11-20-2018, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
But Do you think Trump would have an issue with that approach?
He certainly thinks Congress should fulfill his wishes and that without him all will fail.
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I avoid mind reading. Don't have the psychic powers. Don't know what Trump would think about an enabling act. Nor if he knows what that is. Any halfway decent advisor would tell him not to ask for such a thing. Wouldn't be prudent (as GHWBush would say}, nor possible.
But, I suspect, most Presidents would wish that they could do whatever they wanted. Several have acted that way through various unconstitutional maneuvers that they got away with. Andrew Jackson was a bit of a tyrant. Nixon was considered an imperial President by some. FDR and his administration admired the central planning of the Soviet Union as a Progressive model for government getting things done. His whole New Deal was an effective beginning of our current administrative state, which surplants Congress's duty by enacting rules that govern us. The nearly unimpeded efficiency of our federal administrative bureaucracy is a centralized authority that would be the envy of the old U.S.S.R.
L.B. Johnson was an effective bully. And Obama was fairly effective at bypassing Congress to get what he wanted done. http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/19/...on-presidency/
If Trump can successfully write illegal executive orders (those that are outside of his enumerated executive power), he will have had some solid precedents to guide him. |
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11-20-2018, 04:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
How about some controlled clear cutting
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A buddy of mine lives out there and it was recommended but the local gov officials down voted for environmental reasons.
Cali is also growing so much with densely packed housing and water fights from neighboring states you cannot run much water. |
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11-20-2018, 10:11 PM
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Fires can start anywhere but they will flourish in an area where it is illegal to harvest dead wood.
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11-21-2018, 07:59 AM
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Fires can start anywhere but they will flourish in an area where it is illegal to harvest dead wood.
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Do you have any facts to back that up? I have never seen that mentioned as any of the unique reasons Calif. has forest fires. |
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11-21-2018, 08:10 AM
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I suspect there isn't a big demand for cord word where those fires are popping up. Around here I love to scoop up some free firewood after our Northeasters, but in some of those million dollar homes with the panoramic views; I'm pretty sure they aren't looking for wood for heat.
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11-21-2018, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
I suspect there isn't a big demand for cord word where those fires are popping up. Around here I love to scoop up some free firewood after our Northeasters, but in some of those million dollar homes with the panoramic views; I'm pretty sure they aren't looking for wood for heat.
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If you have seen the recent damage then you would realize these are not expensive homes for the most part.
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11-21-2018, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
I suspect there isn't a big demand for cord word where those fires are popping up. Around here I love to scoop up some free firewood after our Northeasters, but in some of those million dollar homes with the panoramic views; I'm pretty sure they aren't looking for wood for heat.
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When your state government makes it damn near illegal or impossible to actually cut firewood or bring it in from another state, most people tend to use "socialized heating" where they are forever dependent on city gas, oil or electricity. When you cut your own firewood you feel more independent and less reliant on others to provide heat for your family, so it is only natural for Californians to find ways to limit or prohibit this. |
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11-21-2018, 03:01 PM
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When your state government makes it damn near illegal or impossible to actually cut firewood or bring it in from another state, most people tend to use "socialized heating" where they are forever dependent on city gas, oil or electricity. When you cut your own firewood you feel more independent and less reliant on others to provide heat for your family, so it is only natural for Californians to find ways to limit or prohibit this.
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 So it's all a liberal conspiracy to enslave the people by lashing them to public utilities |
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11-21-2018, 08:42 AM
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Do you have any facts to back that up? I have never seen that mentioned as any of the unique reasons Calif. has forest fires.
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11-21-2018, 09:42 AM
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Pls. share - that is why I asked.
I thought it had a lot to do w/the type of wood there, the hills/canyons, the wind they get, the rain in the spring which turns things green and then the veg. dies in the summer/fall due to lack of rain. The forests aren't the same as here or Norway either. |
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11-21-2018, 09:28 AM
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Do you have any facts to back that up? I have never seen that mentioned as any of the unique reasons Calif. has forest fires.
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I think TDF said it once so now he thinks he’s all read up on the topic. Only prohibitions I’ve ever heard of are for areas under quarantine because of disease or insect infestation.
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11-21-2018, 12:25 PM
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I think TDF said it once so now he thinks he’s all read up on the topic. Only prohibitions I’ve ever heard of are for areas under quarantine because of disease or insect infestation.
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Huh???
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11-21-2018, 03:02 PM
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Do you have any facts to back that up? I have never seen that mentioned as any of the unique reasons Calif. has forest fires.
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He doesn't have any facts because it's not true...use the Google Chris!  |
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11-21-2018, 03:47 PM
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He doesn't have any facts because it's not true...use the Google Chris! |
I did.
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11-21-2018, 10:00 AM
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Google is your friend here.
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11-21-2018, 10:46 AM
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I thought that was the type of answer I would get. |
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