Obama goes to Hiroshima, and naturally, screws it up

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Your hate Obama's incompetence has no limits.

Fixed it for ya. You're welcome.

I can't stand the guy, Spence, I don't deny it. But as always, you insult me, but don't bother to point out where I'm wrong.

Do us a favor read 'Thje Rape Of Nanking', you can get the Cliffs Notes somewhere, then get back to me, and tell me it was 'evil' of us to take steps to end that war.

If what we did was evil, how would Obama describe what the Japanese had done? I don't think there's a worse word in our lnguage, so it's clear to me he's making a moral equivalence between what we did to end the war, and everything th eJapanese did during the war. If I am wrong on that score, I'd just love for you to explain how.

What we did was awful, it was beyond terrible. But given the circumstances, it wasn't even close to being 'evil'.

[Fly Rod]

no apology needed...the imperial japanese brought it on them self's....they never apologized for the attack on pearl harbor killing over 2000 americans...they slaugtered 90 plus civilians at wake island....they slaugtered many on the bataan death march....they slaugtered civilian philippians and bayoneted their babies....the dropping of little boy & fat man is estimated at saving a million american servicemen......so I say, "who owes an apology?....obama did not apologize.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

....obama did not apologize.

I missed the apology in the speech.....

I'd also argue that keeping Japan, S. Korea and Vietnam on our side is a good hedge against the Chinese and N. Koreans....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I missed the apology in the speech.....

I'd also argue that keeping Japan, S. Korea and Vietnam on our side is a good hedge against the Chinese and N. Koreans....

I didn't say he apologized.

Rockhound, was it 'evil' for the US to drop the bomb on Japan, at that time, with the hope of avoiding the invasion? Do you really htink 'evil' is the way to describe our actions?

I don't get it, and I will say it again...there is nothing that unites liberals and conservatives anymore, and it's mostly (not all) because liberals have really said 'adios' to reality and common sense. On economic issues, liberals pretend that arithmetic does not exist, and that observeable evidence of liberal policies is to be ignored. On moral issues, it's bordering on the satanic. According to liberalism, it was evil to end WWII. Also, it's OK for Abu Mumia Jamal to give a college commencement address, but not Condaleeza Rice. Is that about right? What the hell is in that Kool Aid, anyway?

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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I didn't say he apologized.

Rockhound, was it 'evil' for the US to drop the bomb on Japan, at that time, with the hope of avoiding the invasion? Do you really htink 'evil' is the way to describe our actions?



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“Death fell from the sky and the world was changed,” Obama said, “The flash of light and a wall of fire destroyed a city and demonstrated that mankind possessed the means to destroy itself.”

Where did he decry it as evil?? I didn't see the whole speech but read two different articles about it...

Evil, no. At the time, probably the best action to end the war.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Where did he decry it as evil?? I didn't see the whole speech but read two different articles about it...

Rock, remember that Jim doesn't do well with broad or abstract concepts. Like the notion that the decision to drop the bomb wasn't evil but that nuclear weapons are.

[JohnR]

And Obama does not do well with conventional history. Perhaps there is a reason that a sitting American president has not gone to Hiroshima until now.

But he did not say evil, though he did say morals need to develop in conjunction with scientific advances. Sadly, the way morals have developed in the 7 decades following the Greatest Generation, a liberation of Europe or Asia would probably not take place today if history would repeat.

So as America turns its cheek and wanes both in capability and in responsibility, others will happily occupy our absence in that role. China and Russia in particular are salivating at the demise of the USA as a force generally for good, generally for peace. Our kids and grandkids will sadly pay that bill. What is old is new again.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Rock, remember that Jim doesn't do well with broad or abstract concepts. Like the notion that the decision to drop the bomb wasn't evil but that nuclear weapons are.

I fully concede that nukes are bad, and that the bombing of Japan was terrible.

I'll ask you pal...was the bombing of Japan 'evil' in your mind? Why? What was our intent, do you think? Was the bombing of Japan, any kind or moral equivalent, with what Japan had done?

Obama didn't just say that nukes are evil. He said that what happened at Hiroshima was evil. He is saying that what we did, was evil.

It's bullsh*t. It's not abstract. We stopped the rape of China. Is that an abstraction? Why is it that I understand that, and you (and Obama) can't? Seems to me, that you two are the dummies who can't see what's going on.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

“Death fell from the sky and the world was changed,” Obama said, “The flash of light and a wall of fire destroyed a city and demonstrated that mankind possessed the means to destroy itself.”

Where did he decry it as evil?? I didn't see the whole speech but read two different articles about it...

Evil, no. At the time, probably the best action to end the war.

Sorry..."we shall not repeat the evil"

"death fell from the sky and the world was changed,”

True. The world enjoyed peace for the first time in a decade. Thanks to that bomb, people all over occupied Asia were free of their chains. To Obama, those are trivial details.

http://gephardtdaily.com/national-in...clear-bombing/

"At the time, probably the best action to end the war"

Not probably. And what made it the best alternative was nothing coming from our side...it was the fanaticism of the Japanese...

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I missed the apology in the speech.....

I'd also argue that keeping Japan, S. Korea and Vietnam on our side is a good hedge against the Chinese and N. Koreans....

I agree with U 100%....we R obligated to protect japan and south korea....we may need them deep water ports in vietnam