interesting

[PaulS]

The voter ID laws bother me less than the shortening of hours but minortities (a higher % vote Dem.) have less need for ID. The most common voter ID is a driver’s license, and minorities are less likely to drive. Minorities are less likely to have driver’s licenses because they are more likely to be poor and to live in urban areas. If you can’t afford a car, or if you don’t need one because you take the bus or subway, you are less likely to have a driver’s license. Students are less likely to have driver’s for the same reason. Driver’s licenses are not the only form of id, but minorities don't have as much access to other legally forms such as Passports, military IDs or other government-issued photo ID

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The voter ID laws bother me less than the shortening of hours but minortities (a higher % vote Dem.) have less need for ID. The most common voter ID is a driver’s license, and minorities are less likely to drive. Minorities are less likely to have driver’s licenses because they are more likely to be poor and to live in urban areas. If you can’t afford a car, or if you don’t need one because you take the bus or subway, you are less likely to have a driver’s license. Students are less likely to have driver’s for the same reason. Driver’s licenses are not the only form of id, but minorities don't have as much access to other legally forms such as Passports, military IDs or other government-issued photo ID

"minorities don't have as much access to other legally forms such as Passports, military IDs or other government-issued photo ID"

Please explain, exactly, why minorities have less access to government-issued photo id's, than whites. It's not true just because you say it.

if the process for getting a photo id (other than driver's license) is the same for whites and blacks (and I have to believe it is the same), than why do blacks have "less access"? Please support your conclusion that minorities have less access to these ids? Based on what? What, exactly, reduces their access? Are all the places to get those ids, located in gated, white communities? Does the Klan run the offices where they are handed out? Are applicants required to name their favorite Bing Crosby song, or answer questions about fox hunting or falconry?

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Driver’s licenses are not the only form of id, but minorities don't have as much access to other legally forms such as Passports, military IDs or other government-issued photo ID

They don't have as much access to the registry of motor vehicles as anyone else? You can get an ID there as simple as standing in line with proper form of identification like utility bills , birth certificate etc.

explain this reason of not having as much access to me, I'm at a loss

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

They don't have as much access to the registry of motor vehicles as anyone else? You can get an ID there as simple as standing in line with proper form of identification like utility bills , birth certificate etc.

explain this reason of not having as much access to me, I'm at a loss

Reread my statement bc that is not what I said.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The voter ID laws bother me less than the shortening of hours but minortities (a higher % vote Dem.) have less need for ID. The most common voter ID is a driver’s license, and minorities are less likely to drive. Minorities are less likely to have driver’s licenses because they are more likely to be poor and to live in urban areas. If you can’t afford a car, or if you don’t need one because you take the bus or subway, you are less likely to have a driver’s license. Students are less likely to have driver’s for the same reason. Driver’s licenses are not the only form of id, but minorities don't have as much access to other legally forms such as Passports, military IDs or other government-issued photo ID

this is incredibly racist

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is incredibly racist

Correction - it would be racist, if you or I said it.

Paul, if all that is true, I would think you'd be in favor of restricted-hours voting, because according to you, the Democrats are the ones home all day and can easily get to the polls, while people on my side are at work all day, so it's less convenient for us to vote.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Correction - it would be racist, if you or I said it.

Is that a form of a straw man arguement?

Show me where anyone accused you of being racist here.

Did I say minorities are home all day? Pls. point that out.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Is that a form of a straw man arguement?

Show me where anyone accused you of being racist here.

Did I say minorities are home all day? Pls. point that out.

Sigh.

I asked you, why the ID requirement is more harmful to blacks than to whites. I asked for specific reasons.

What we got from you., was a series of quotes from people who agree it's more harmful to blacks.

That doesn't respond to my question, not even close. I didn't ask you "who else agrees with you"? What I asked for, was a reason why.

You said fewer blacks have driver's licenses than whites. That doesn't answer my question either. Because if there are 100 blacks without a driver's license, and 5 whites, you are saying that the blacks have "less access" to government id's than the whites.

That's what you said - they have less access.

I'd like to know why you think that is? Based on what, exactly? Why i sthe process for getting ids, more cumbersome for blacks than it is for whites?

If you cannot answer that, then why do you believe what you believe? There's not a singke opinion I have, that I can't justify with pertinent supporting logic. All you have here, is a baseless accusation that the process is racist.

If it's a cultural thing, that blacks are just too lazy to go to city hal;l to get the card, that's a function of their cultural failure, it's not a function of racism. Because the fact is (unless you can explain otherwise), they have the exact same access to thise ids that I have. The same exact access.

Either tell me why I am wrong, or admit you can't support your opinion...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Is that a form of a straw man arguement?

Show me where anyone accused you of being racist here.

Did I say minorities are home all day? Pls. point that out.

It was hyperbole and sarcasm, OK?

What you absolutely did say, is that blacks have less access to governemnt id's, than whites. Please justify that statement. Based on what?