Trump tweeted he will "Address the Nation

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by DZ

Obviously both sides are looking for a win.

So which side will take the high road and cave on the issue?

It will be fascinating to see the answer to that. Both sides would look very weak by caving completely.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Actually, Obama's was worse as it affected every Department. This one doesn't affect a lot of the DoD as they are already funded through 2019

Bigger in scope but 2013 was a result primarily of Republican efforts to defund existing law, not create new spending.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Says who? Mike Pence was on TV this weekend, and he said DACA was on the table as a deal for the wall. I saw Pence say it. Lindsay Graham is also saying it.

Says the news peoples.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

Says the news peoples.
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Actual NEWS people? or biased news people who tend to make things up?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Bigger in scope but 2013 was a result primarily of Republican efforts to defund existing law, not create new spending.
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wdmso said the shutdown was bad because it effected workers. from that perspective, obama’s shutdown was at least as bad for those impacted.

andnthe new spending the gop seeks, is something the dems agreed to not long ago.

This is politics at its worst, both sides in Congress at their political worst, all exacerbated by the Trump factor. And regular people get hurt.

we all need to rethink the kind of people we want in DC. we need more regular people ( who actually work, build things, help people, and solve problems), folks who want to go, serve a term, and get the hell out of there.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by DZ

Obviously both sides are looking for a win.

So which side will take the high road and cave on the issue?

I think we’ll know more after Trump meets with Senate Republicans today. They’re starting to defect and I don’t see how McConnell can continue to block the vote if there’s a veto proof majority. I’d think that would be a great eff you after Trump burned him last month.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Bigger in scope
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Fixed it, as that's all the people affected by a shutdown really need to know.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Actual NEWS people? or biased news people who tend to make things up?

I try to avoid the fake stuff.
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[Pete F.]

There are somewheres around 4 Million people that are government contract workers that are out of work and they will not be getting paid.
The true number is hard to ascertain.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

There are somewheres around 4 Million people that are government contract workers that are out of work and they will not be getting paid.
The true number is hard to ascertain.

They are eligible for Unemployment though, which is something. Unfortunately, that's the chance you take as a contractor.

A lot of people take this route because contractors make more than the fed employees. If you have a spouse that can carry the health insurance, you can make some big money contracting. And a lot of contracting companies even offer benefits so that doesn't even have to be a concern.

Shutdowns are not new w/ Trump, there have been 22 of them since the 70's. Pretty much there is a threat of one every year at budget time.

not saying it doesn't suck, but it's pretty much life as a Gov Contractor.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"this shut down is not remotely the same as Obama’s shut down "

Stop moving the goalposts. I was responding to your post, where you implied that shutdowns are wrong because of their impact on federal workers. That's what you said, and that's what I was responding to.

From the perspective of workers who didn't get paid, what was the difference between the two shutdowns?

"you show your skills off suggesting they are the same"

Never implied they were the same. But didn't both result in workers not getting paid? What's on display here, is your inability to admit your side plays these games too, and that it's equally wrong regardless of who does it. Nope. Political gamesmanship is only bothersome to you, when the GOP does it. I was pretty critical of the GOP in my response to you. When I mentioned Obama's shutdown, you can't bring yourself to say that also hurt federal workers, all you can do is say "it wasn't the same as this". OK, I tried engaging you like an adult, and it was a waste.

"Are Trump or his supporters familiar with the fable of the boy who cried wolf? Because it’s playing out now in the White House "

Tell that to the widow and 5 month-old left behind by Officer Singh.

Did that cop get murdered by an illegal who had two DUIs here? yes or no? Did the GOP fabricate it, or did it happen? I fit happened, how many Americans like that cop are you willing to sacrifice on the alter of liberalism, before you can admit that there's a problem?

Boy who cried wolf. Unfreakinbelievable.

You're a sheep. You cannot think critically, you can regurgitate what you hear on MSNBC, that's all. GOP is b-a-a-a-a-d.


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And what would you say to his wife if he was killed by a Us citizen? Would it garner less attention or be less tragic .. nothing is more than pathetic than using people’s deaths to forward a political agenda . No matter the party

Can you name the 3 officers who have been killed in the line of duty in 2019. Of course you can’t .. doubt if you even knew it there were 3 .. why because they weren’t caused by an illegal there’s no value in that for Trump

Trump has been crying since the day he announced his bid for president
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And what would you say to his wife if he was killed by a Us citizen?
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the same thing you'd say to the wife if he was killed by some on guy the street thanks to a liberal judge who released him when he should not have been on the street...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

nothing is more than pathetic than using people’s deaths to forward a political agenda . No matter the party
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You mean like, parading a Gold Star Dad up on stage.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

They are eligible for Unemployment though, which is something. Unfortunately, that's the chance you take as a contractor.

A lot of people take this route because contractors make more than the fed employees. If you have a spouse that can carry the health insurance, you can make some big money contracting. And a lot of contracting companies even offer benefits so that doesn't even have to be a concern.

Shutdowns are not new w/ Trump, there have been 22 of them since the 70's. Pretty much there is a threat of one every year at budget time.

not saying it doesn't suck, but it's pretty much life as a Gov Contractor.

The issue with the shutdown is the reason why we have the shut down

We all have seen them . It’s the why is the issue

We’re in a crisis so bad I needed to speak from the Oval Office .... but also need to keep some of people involved on the front lines in the fight , not working , not paid Because it’s a national emergency ????
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You mean like, parading a Gold Star Dad up on stage.

to attack a political foe

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You mean like, parading a Gold Star Dad up on stage.

Wow another attempt to compare what’s said by 3 rd 4 th parties

And said by a parent or wife who were defending there sons sacrifice after Trumps attacking American Muslims have terrorist sympathies

Yep there the same
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

the same thing you'd say to the wife if he was killed by some on guy the street thanks to a liberal judge who released him when he should not have been on the street...

Don’t go out in a thunderstorm. We don’t need you blaming the weather man . If you get struck by lightning
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And what would you say to his wife if he was killed by a Us citizen? Would it garner less attention or be less tragic .. nothing is more than pathetic than using people’s deaths to forward a political agenda . No matter the party

Can you name the 3 officers who have been killed in the line of duty in 2019. Of course you can’t .. doubt if you even knew it there were 3 .. why because they weren’t caused by an illegal there’s no value in that for Trump

Trump has been crying since the day he announced his bid for president
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i don’t know what i’d say. he wasn’t killed by a us citizen. i can make a very strong case that he was killed
by open borders and sanctuary policies.

wdmso, if none of the people
hurt by illegals were actually hurt by illegals, i’d probably feel differently. and if a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his azz hopping around. it’s a stupid, utterly meaningless, hypothetical.

we are a large and free nation, which means there are bad apples out there. there’s not a lot we can do to remove them. we can do something, about whether or not we choose to incentivize bad leople
from mexico to come here, and whether or not we choose to shield
them from deportation.

i don’t agree with you on the wall obviously. but the liberal position on the wall, isnt nearly as absurd as the liberal position on sanctuary cities and states.

anyway, back to your other post, if you could tell
me why a federal worker fuoughed bynthe trump shutdown is hurt worse than a federal worker hurt by the obama
shut down, i’d appreciate it.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You mean like, parading a Gold Star Dad up on stage.

BAM.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You mean like, parading a Gold Star Dad up on stage.

Khan was publicly criticizing Trump well before he spoke at the convention.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

BAM.
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More like tink.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Khan was publicly criticizing Trump well before he spoke at the convention.
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the dems used his sons death at the convention for political capital. same
as the gop is doing with the CA officer.

you can’t even admit those are both situations where a party used a tragedy to advance their ideology? you’re going to tell
us that’s what the gop did, but not the democrats?

you’re useless.
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[Pete F.]

Trump assumed office almost 2 years ago.
The Wall was his signature campaign issue.
The Republicans controlled Congress and the Administration.
For 2 years this was not an Emergency and nothing was sent to the President for a signature, though there were negotiations and meetings.
Mid term elections and the House was lost.
In the last week of the 115th Congress it became an emergency and made the shutdown of the government necessary and justifiable in Trump's opinion.
Sound a little odd or is this just the methodology of a great negotiator?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the dems used his sons death at the convention for political capital. same
as the gop is doing with the CA officer.

you can’t even admit those are both situations where a party used a tragedy to advance their ideology? you’re going to tell
us that’s what the gop did, but not the democrats?

you’re useless.
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Huge difference, Khan spoke out on his own volition.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Huge difference, Khan spoke out on his own volition.
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so how do you know, that the CA officers family doesn’t support using their
loss to
advance this agenda? your
argument only holds water
if they don’t want to be used this way, as
Khan did.

here are some
victims
families who
are advocating for trumps agenda.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/families-...et-border-wall


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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i don’t know what i’d say. he wasn’t killed by a us citizen. i can make a very strong case that he was killed
by open borders and sanctuary policies.

isnt nearly as absurd as the liberal position on sanctuary cities and states.

What absurd for not enforcing federal laws when the feds don’t repay the costs to cities and states for those action.. it’s not as if illegals are not arrested because they are illegal that’s a gop bedtime story they tell their base

anyway, back to your other post, if you could tell
me why a federal worker fuoughed bynthe trump shutdown is hurt worse than a federal worker hurt by the obama
shut down, i’d appreciate it.

we have had shutdowns as I said it’s the BS reason for the shut down

People have always collateral damage during shut downs
Unless I’ve missed something this is the 1st time they’ve been hostages... Trump didn’t even mention them in his 8 mins

Now we hurt Some Americans to help some Americans don’t get it

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Hope this answers some questions
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so how do you know, that the CA officers family doesn’t support using their
loss to
advance this agenda? your
argument only holds water
if they don’t want to be used this way, as
Khan did.

here are some
victims
families who
are advocating for trumps agenda.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/families-...et-border-wall


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If she does then that’s her choice as with all the other families and it should be disclosed... if not... it’s misleading . And being used to advance a political agenda
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Unless I’ve missed something this is the 1st time they’ve been hostages...
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They have been for every shutdown, the whole reason they happen is because two sides can't come to an agreement.

2013 was over the raising of the Debt Ceiling and the defunding of Obamacare.

[Got Stripers]

Trump didn’t get his wall so he walked out of the meeting and Pence and McCarthy continued to spout to party line, that ther is a crisis at the southern border. It is all about the fing wall and it looks like a staring conntest to see who blinks first. All political BS by both sides, it’s really embarrassing that these are the people we elected govern. All spin by both sides.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump assumed office almost 2 years ago.
The Wall was his signature campaign issue.
The Republicans controlled Congress and the Administration.
For 2 years this was not an Emergency and nothing was sent to the President for a signature, though there were negotiations and meetings.
Mid term elections and the House was lost.
In the last week of the 115th Congress it became an emergency and made the shutdown of the government necessary and justifiable in Trump's opinion.
Sound a little odd or is this just the methodology of a great negotiator?

Trump supports dont like that timeline they act as if it never happened

it's easier to say it's the democrats fault or its about the mexican invasion

They will never admit they elected an ass hat