Herd immunity is not a strategy, it is a biological fact

[detbuch]

[wdmso]

Not sure what your point is. If the United States got its infections rates down with basic mask wearing and social distancing what they say makes sense

But you have an administration who refuse to lead by example, and are having their very own heard immunity party in the WH




https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20486808

[Got Stripers]

Hey wait Mr. DeBarr said this administration did everything right and the economy is seeing a robust rebound, are those recent 840,000 filing for unemployment just not looking for jobs? Are the 25% of the restaurants that have failed in our state just poorly run? Are people just not listening to our fearless leader and flying the friendly skies without worrying about this virus that can be easily cured with the medication all Americans have access to? Come on if DJT in his crappy health can kick this it must be nothing, let’s go all in and rip those damn masks off, let’s MAGA!

Wink, wink!

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Hey wait Mr. DeBarr said this administration did everything right and the economy is seeing a robust rebound, are those recent 840,000 filing for unemployment just not looking for jobs? Are the 25% of the restaurants that have failed in our state just poorly run? Are people just not listening to our fearless leader and flying the friendly skies without worrying about this virus that can be easily cured with the medication all Americans have access to? Come on if DJT in his crappy health can kick this it must be nothing, let’s go all in and rip those damn masks off, let’s MAGA!

Wink, wink!

Hey Mr. Stripper, there is no THE science. As from the start of this pandemic, there have been different, conflicting scientific views.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Hey Mr. Stripper, there is no THE science. As from the start of this pandemic, there have been different, conflicting scientific views.

Hey don’t bring your Friday night twisted life into a political forum, but hey if your into stuffing singles into male stripper g strings no judgement, I guess not much to do winter winter rolls in on you.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Hey don’t bring your Friday night twisted life into a political forum, but hey if your into stuffing singles into male stripper g strings no judgement, I guess not much to do winter winter rolls in on you.

Hey Mr. Stripper, thanks for telling me what happens on Friday night with g strings. I didn't know about that. Very interesting. I wish you well in these endeavors.

[RickBomba]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Hey Mr. Stripper, there is no THE science. As from the start of this pandemic, there have been different, conflicting scientific views.

Conflicting views...ha!

In my opinion, you have two camps.
1. People who believe in science.
2. People who were so bad at science in High School, that they refer to every mysterious thing in life as "Deep State."

IMHO,
It would be like me calling all the amazing work by many of my cabinet maker friends as "Deep Shop."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RickBomba

Conflicting views...ha!

In my opinion, you have two camps.
1. People who believe in science.
2. People who were so bad at science in High School, that they refer to every mysterious thing in life as "Deep State."

IMHO,
It would be like me calling all the amazing work by many of my cabinet maker friends as "Deep Shop."

The three scientists in the thread video believe in science.

[Pete F.]

For every complex problem, there is a simple elegant and incorrect solution.
Congratulations on finding it
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

For every complex problem, there is a simple elegant and incorrect solution.
Congratulations on finding it
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More deep and vacuous thoughts from an amateur saying that actual scientists are incorrect.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

For every complex problem, there is a simple elegant and incorrect solution.
Congratulations on finding it
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Here's what some other scientists had to say about the simplistic solution proposed in Great Barrington.

“So I appreciate and understand the concerns and the sentiment behind this declaration, and of course other diseases are important and need attention, but without these anti-COVID-19 ‘tools’, I cannot see how they will achieve this ‘Focused Protection’ for these vulnerable groups in any practical, reliable or safe way.”

“An effective response to the Covid pandemic requires multiple targeted interventions to reduce transmission, to develop better treatments and to protect vulnerable people. This declaration prioritises just one aspect of a sensible strategy – protecting the vulnerable – and suggests we can safely build up ‘herd immunity’ in the rest of the population. This is wishful thinking. It is not possible to fully identify vulnerable individuals, and it is not possible to fully isolate them. Furthermore, we know that immunity to coronaviruses wanes over time, and re-infection is possible – so lasting protection of vulnerable individuals by establishing ‘herd immunity’ is very unlikely to be achieved in the absence of a vaccine. Individual scientists may reasonably disagree about the relative merits of various interventions, but they must be honest about the feasibility of what they propose. This declaration is therefore not a helpful contribution to the debate.”

“The Barrington Declaration is based upon a false premise – that governments and the scientific community wish for extensive lockdowns to continue until a vaccine is available. Lockdowns are only ever used when transmission is high, and now that we have some knowledge about how best to handle new outbreaks, most national and subnational interventions are much ‘lighter’ than the full suppressions we have seen for example in the UK across the spring of 2020.

“Those behind the Barrington Declaration are advocates of herd immunity within a population. They state that “Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal”, with the idea being that somehow the vulnerable of society will be protected from ensuing transmission of a dangerous virus. It is a very bad idea. We saw that even with intensive lockdowns in place, there was a huge excess death toll, with the elderly bearing the brunt of that, and 20-30% of the UK population would be classed as vulnerable to a severe COVID-19 infection. Around 8% of the UK population has some level of immunity to this novel coronavirus, and that immunity will likely wane over time and be insufficient to prevent a second infection. A strategy for herd immunity would also promote further inequalities across society, for example across the Black, Asian and minority ethnic communities. The declaration also ignores the emerging burdens of ‘long COVID’. We know that many people, even younger populations who suffered from an initially mild illness, are suffering from longer-term consequences of a COVID-19 infection.

“Independent SAGE are among the many scientists who have eloquently pointed out1 the many reasons why these initiatives are ultimately harmful and misleading as to the scientific evidence base. There are countries who are managing the pandemic relatively well, including South Korea and New Zealand, and their strategies do not include simply letting the virus run wild whilst hoping that the asthmatic community and the elderly can find somewhere to hide for 12 months. They have a proactive approach to ‘test and trace’ to reduce the impact of new outbreaks, and good public health messaging from the government to their populations. Ultimately, the Barrington Declaration is based on principles that are dangerous to national and global public health.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

For every complex problem, there is a simple elegant and incorrect solution.
Congratulations on finding it
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Still stands
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[wdmso]

I know hold rallies not mandating mask or social distancing. Is all about Freedoms


Leaders lead by example ForTrumplicans his getting covid is leading by example their all f in the head

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I know hold rallies not mandating mask or social distancing. Is all about Freedoms


Leaders lead by example ForTrumplicans his getting covid is leading by example their all f in the head

He did lead by example. He showed that, under his leadership, we are on the path to beating this thing. And if the Dems gain control, they will "inherit" what has been done to put us on that path. And they will claim the success as theirs and brand his administration as a total failure.

And if they don't eff up the economy by going back to their high tax high regulation Progressive model, they will have a record recovery and a period of American renaissance--until they reinstate their Progressive agenda.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He did lead by example. He showed that, under his leadership, we are on the path to beating this thing. And if the Dems gain control, they will "inherit" what has been done to put us on that path. And they will claim the success as theirs and brand his administration as a total failure.

And if they don't eff up the economy by going back to their high tax high regulation Progressive model, they will have a record recovery and a period of American renaissance--until they reinstate their Progressive agenda.

You have a different definition of beating this virus, but that’s to be expected, so when we reach 300,000 dead with still no comprehensive government plan or consistent messaging in place, will that be “winning”?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He did lead by example. He showed that, under his leadership, we are on the path to beating this thing. And if the Dems gain control, they will "inherit" what has been done to put us on that path. And they will claim the success as theirs and brand his administration as a total failure.

And if they don't eff up the economy by going back to their high tax high regulation Progressive model, they will have a record recovery and a period of American renaissance--until they reinstate their Progressive agenda.

you know the standards you set for progressives.. How about using the same standards on Trump .. that was you might not sound like a cult member to late "American renaissance" plz explain

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Still stands

On it's head.

[Pete F.]

Some scientists are incorrect, haven’t you been listening to the Stable Genius?
He has a tweet for that
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[RickBomba]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Hey Butchie,
Why don't you let me know how the Herd Immunity thing works out for you.

Crappie fishing must be slow out there, huh?

Quick question, what the hell do you fish for when crappie fishing is slow? Bluegills?

Just curious...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RickBomba

Hey Butchie,
Why don't you let me know how the Herd Immunity thing works out for you.

Crappie fishing must be slow out there, huh?

Quick question, what the hell do you fish for when crappie fishing is slow? Bluegills?

Just curious...

I don't have the training to know how it works. The three scientists in the thread video explains how it works. Just showing that the notion that there is only THE science is not true. Their are differing views. So when folks keep repeating the mantra that they follow THE science, or that someone else doesn't, which THE science are they talking about.

[detbuch]

Oh, and it's not just the three scientists in the video, here's another six thousand:

https://www.newsweek.com/over-6000-s...damage-1537047

[detbuch]

As I said, there are conflicting views. For the record, I have no idea which is the "correct" view. Just pointing out that there's this unanimous THE science is not true. And accusing someone of not following THE science is arbitrary, and, in my opinion, is politically motivated.

And, BTW, I wear a mask and social distance in public places.

[Pete F.]

Now tell us about what Tweety’s magic Remdesivr therapy was developed from......
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[PaulS]

The idea behind herd immunity is that the strong survive, the weak will die and anyone who thinks they are vulnerable should just worry about themselves.

Republican empathy at its finest.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The idea behind herd immunity is that the strong survive, the weak will die .

I don't believe this is correct but if it makes you feel better

[Pete F.]

The test looks like it's coming, and we can then see if herd immunity works.

I'll be one of those not following the lemmings off the cliff.

Dr. Fauci said in early August that we need to be at around 10,000 new infections daily by September or 'we’re going to have a really bad situation in the fall'—but now, we're at around four times that number and racking up over 700 deaths per day."

New York state has reached 1,000 infections per day for the first time since June. Boston just announced a pause in its school opening as positive COVID test rates jumped to 4 percent. Smaller states, like North Dakota, are already struggling to find enough ICU beds to care for critically ill patients.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The test looks like it's coming, and we can then see if herd immunity works.

I'll be one of those not following the lemmings off the cliff.

Dr. Fauci said in early August that we need to be at around 10,000 new infections daily by September or 'we’re going to have a really bad situation in the fall'—but now, we're at around four times that number and racking up over 700 deaths per day."

New York state has reached 1,000 infections per day for the first time since June. Boston just announced a pause in its school opening as positive COVID test rates jumped to 4 percent. Smaller states, like North Dakota, are already struggling to find enough ICU beds to care for critically ill patients.

I'm sure cuomo will handle it better this time

[Nebe]

Yep. Round 2 is coming. But it’s just a hoax. Don’t let it rule your life. Yadayadayada.

3 people died at Benghazi and people loose their fu Kong minds. Trump seems to promote more deaths with this virus and the same people cheer on happily. I really don’t get it.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Yep. Round 2 is coming. But it’s just a hoax.

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has anyone ever thought round two wasn't coming?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

has anyone ever thought round two wasn't coming?

Besides Trump? No