Forbes issues warning

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i don’t support his personal behavior any more than you do. i have said he’s the worst person to hold that office in our lifetime. he’s absolutely incapable of acting like a mature adult/.

here’s the difference. unlike you, i can admit the truth that his policies have been beneficial for the country.

i despise trump.
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I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime. So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job more power to you. I think his environmental and economic policies have hurt the country and most of all hurt the poor and have benefited the rich. You view tax cuts as beneficial, I view them as stupid when we are running a huge deficit.Do I disagree with 100% of what he has done of course not but I choose to focus on the vast majority of his policies of which I disagree with.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime. So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job more power to you. I think his environmental and economic policies have hurt the country and most of all hurt the poor and have benefited the rich. You view tax cuts as beneficial, I view them as stupid when we are running a huge deficit.Do I disagree with 100% of what he has done of course not but I choose to focus on the vast majority of his policies of which I disagree with.
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"I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime"

Easy to conclude that, when you willfully ignore every single positive thing he has done.

"So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job"

I, unlike you, consider everything. The good and the bad. It's not "me". What about the Gallup poll, done every presidential election year, where a record number in 2020 (even during a pandemic) said they were better off than 4 years ago? The poll was done during the pandemic, and never before, have more Americans claimed to be better off than 4 years ago. For me, the only conclusion is that Americans like his policies. You disagree with my interpretation of that poll (I don't see any other conclusion), but you don't offer an alternative.

I don't know how to judge his presidency overall. His character is so completely flawed, I don't know the words to describe it. But his policies, were in my opinion very positive, and the Gallup poll supports that. But he got creamed in the election, which tells us with zero ambiguity that the same people who liked his policies, didn't want to deal with the baggage. You can't often say that a one-term presidency was a smashing success, and I won't make that claim with Trump, it would be silly to try.

"I think his economic policies have hurt the country"

You are in a very, very small minority who really think that. The only thing that didn't get much better was the debt, and he deserves criticism for that. By just about every single other measure, he improved the economy meaningfully, and moreso for minorities. That's one of the reasons that liberal elites hated him. For all their talk, he did more for blacks than any president in my lifetime, and it's not even close. No one comes close. Liberals have been saying for decades that the 1990s crime bill was racist (and authored by Joe Biden, but let's save that for another time). Obama had control of both houses of congress for much of his first 2 years, he easily could have reformed that crime bill. He didn't. It took Trump. And I hate what Trump did with crime reform, but its what liberals in general, and blacks in particular, have been asking for, for decades. No one chose to deliver, until Trump. Why is that?

Paul, what does it say to you, that you criticize Sarah Sanders for insulting assault victims (which is very fair criticism), but you refuse to comment that Hilary did the same exact thing?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime"

Easy to conclude that, when you willfully ignore every single positive thing he has done.

"So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job"

I, unlike you, consider everything. The good and the bad. It's not "me". What about the Gallup poll, done every presidential election year, where a record number in 2020 (even during a pandemic) said they were better off than 4 years ago? The poll was done during the pandemic, and never before, have more Americans claimed to be better off than 4 years ago. For me, the only conclusion is that Americans like his policies. You disagree with my interpretation of that poll (I don't see any other conclusion), but you don't offer an alternative.

I don't know how to judge his presidency overall. His character is so completely flawed, I don't know the words to describe it. But his policies, were in my opinion very positive, and the Gallup poll supports that. But he got creamed in the election, which tells us with zero ambiguity that the same people who liked his policies, didn't want to deal with the baggage. You can't often say that a one-term presidency was a smashing success, and I won't make that claim with Trump, it would be silly to try.

"I think his economic policies have hurt the country"

You are in a very, very small minority who really think that. The only thing that didn't get much better was the debt, and he deserves criticism for that. By just about every single other measure, he improved the economy meaningfully, and moreso for minorities. That's one of the reasons that liberal elites hated him. For all their talk, he did more for blacks than any president in my lifetime, and it's not even close. No one comes close. Liberals have been saying for decades that the 1990s crime bill was racist (and authored by Joe Biden, but let's save that for another time). Obama had control of both houses of congress for much of his first 2 years, he easily could have reformed that crime bill. He didn't. It took Trump. And I hate what Trump did with crime reform, but its what liberals in general, and blacks in particular, have been asking for, for decades. No one chose to deliver, until Trump. Why is that?

Paul, what does it say to you, that you criticize Sarah Sanders for insulting assault victims (which is very fair criticism), but you refuse to comment that Hilary did the same exact thing?

Jim are you really stating the extremely small sampling the Gallup poll takes is a true representation of the millions of Americans? Please stop suggesting we refuse to acknowledge the good things Trump has done, the simple truth is many, myself included, don’t see them as good. But hang in there, your defense ordeal is almost over, a vacation for your efforts is days away.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Traitors

are you really stating the extremely small sampling the XYZ poll takes is a true representation of the millions of Americans?

nobody ever does this

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

nobody ever does this

where have you been? Did you go tarpon fishing again?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

where have you been? Did you go tarpon fishing again?

soon...you are more than welcome to join me for a few days...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Jim are you really stating the extremely small sampling the Gallup poll takes is a true representation of the millions of Americans? Please stop suggesting we refuse to acknowledge the good things Trump has done, the simple truth is many, myself included, don’t see them as good. But hang in there, your defense ordeal is almost over, a vacation for your efforts is days away.

ok. so al of a sudden, you have reason to suspect their science is flawed. it may well be, but Gallup has been around for awhile, and i don’t recall you being skeptical. or are you only skeptical of polls you disagree with.

tax cuts
low unemployment
lowest black unemployment ever
soaring stock market
criminal justice reform
energy independence
peace accords in middle east
increased funding for black colleges
routing ISIS
no kids dying in questionable wars
very pro Israel

now, that’s not a comprehensive list of results, it’s only a list of what I’d call positive results. he had some big failures, did nothing to expand healthcare to the poor, etc. it also completely ignores his personality.

but when i look at that list, and i see a poll that says 56% of americans feel those things , altogether, improved their lives, i’m not sure
my reaction is to be doubtful. i would doubt that many americans would respond favorably to those things.

Do you?

if anyone else had accomplished these things, how different would the conversation be? and again, that doesn’t mean i think we should ignore his ethics, he absolutely should be measured by that as well.

But the democrats here seem completely unable
to ever talk about anything other than his horrible personality. that’s part of his presidency, but is it literally all there is? i don’t think it’s honest to ignore the good. When i say that, you guys tend to respond as if i’m saying ignore the bad, and i’ve never said that.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ok. so al of a sudden, you have reason to suspect their science is flawed. it may well be, but Gallup has been around for awhile, and i don’t recall you being skeptical. or are you only skeptical of polls you disagree with.

tax cuts
low unemployment
lowest black unemployment ever
soaring stock market
criminal justice reform
energy independence
peace accords in middle east
increased funding for black colleges
routing ISIS
no kids dying in questionable wars
very pro Israel

now, that’s not a comprehensive list of results, it’s only a list of what I’d call positive results. he had some big failures, did nothing to expand healthcare to the poor, etc. it also completely ignores his personality.

but when i look at that list, and i see a poll that says 56% of americans feel those things , altogether, improved their lives, i’m not sure
my reaction is to be doubtful. i would doubt that many americans would respond favorably to those things.

Do you?

if anyone else had accomplished these things, how different would the conversation be? and again, that doesn’t mean i think we should ignore his ethics, he absolutely should be measured by that as well.

But the democrats here seem completely unable
to ever talk about anything other than his horrible personality. that’s part of his presidency, but is it literally all there is? i don’t think it’s honest to ignore the good. When i say that, you guys tend to respond as if i’m saying ignore the bad, and i’ve never said that.
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After four years of Tweety, America is poorer, sicker, less respected in the world, monumentally more in debt and more divided than any time since Civil War. Under him, Republicans lost WH, Senate and House. Think about it. Was it worth it?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

After four years of Tweety, America is poorer, sicker, less respected in the world, monumentally more in debt and more divided than any time since Civil War. Under him, Republicans lost WH, Senate and House. Think about it. Was it worth it?

before the deaths at the capital i would have said well worth it. i still
think it was.

Obama left the democrats holding fewer elected positions than any time since the civil war. was he worth it? did you ever ask that question ( no, you didn’t).

If the democrats give voting rights to illegals, poof, TX is blue and you won’t see a republican president for decades at least. i dont know why they wouldn’t do that. i don’t know f joe manchin is committed to stopping them.

if they don’t do that, all the gop needs to do is run someone who will
deliver Trump-like policies without the immense personal baggage.

Make no mistake, 2020 was a complete disaster for the GOP. But they’re way better off then they were at this point in 2009 when obama
had a much larger majority in the house and a filibuster proof
majority in the senate. and the gop came roaring back from that.

which is exactly why i can’t see why they wouldn’t secure voting rights for illegals.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I've always admitted she's done that. Every time I've discussed it with you. Some of it might have been she believed her husband. But the article was about Forbes and people in the Trump administration who lie constantly and have no credibility. And again there's no comparison between Hillary's lies and someone like Sarah Sanders and her lies. If you want to view that as defending Hillary so be it.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Easy to conclude that, when you willfully ignore every single positive thing he has done. That is exactly the opposite of what I said it did/do. My quote was: "I think overall he has been the worst president of my lifetime. So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job more power to you. I think his environmental and economic policies have hurt the country and most of all hurt the poor and have benefited the rich. You view tax cuts as beneficial, I view them as stupid when we are running a huge deficit.Do I disagree with 100% of what he has done of course not but I choose to focus on the vast majority of his policies of which I disagree with."


"So if you want to pick some things and say he's done a good job"

I, unlike you, consider everything. The good and the bad. That is exactly the opposite of what I said it did/doIt's not "me". What about the Gallup poll, done every presidential election year, where a record number in 2020 (even during a pandemic) said they were better off than 4 years ago? The poll was done during the pandemic, and never before, have more Americans claimed to be better off than 4 years ago. For me, the only conclusion is that Americans like his policies. You disagree with my interpretation of that poll (I don't see any other conclusion), but you don't offer an alternative.What do his polling #s show now?


Paul, what does it say to you, that you criticize Sarah Sanders for insulting assault victims (which is very fair criticism), but you refuse to comment that Hilary did the same exact thing?

Seems like you missed the top comment I made. Plus you are the one who brought both Hillary and Sanders into a thread that had nothing to do with them.

You recycle the same old things (repeatedly) about the Dems. bc you have so few and try to compare those few things to the 0,000s that Trump does and try to say there are the same.

Hillary - Deplorables, insulted assault victims, sniper fire
Obama - Guns
Biden - If you vote for Trump you ain't black, they'll put you in chains.