House to vote on impeachment

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Doesn’t matter, crime was already committed.
That’s the reason you have people testifying, even though the WH told them not to
They don’t want to be part of the conspiracy.
Two choices
A. Try and convince the electorate that it’s perfectly acceptable to withhold authorized funds for a personal benefit.
B. Show that you objected to the abuse of power or didn’t know about it.
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"Doesn’t matter,"

So you don't know either, got it.

"crime was already committed." If threatening to withhold foreign aid unless the recipient does what you want is a crime, explain why Biden didn't commit a crime, for what he bragged about in front of the cameras?

Or was that not the crime you refer to?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Doesn’t matter,"

So you don't know either, got it.

"crime was already committed." If threatening to withhold foreign aid unless the recipient does what you want is a crime, explain why Biden didn't commit a crime, for what he bragged about in front of the cameras?

Or was that not the crime you refer to?

People ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

People ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.
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lotta people on the Burisma payroll apparently

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

lotta people on the Burisma payroll apparently

🍑🤡
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

People ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.
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doesn’t come close to answering the question i asked.

do you need me to repeat it? if withholding aid as leverage to get a foreign power to do what you want, is a crime, how can you deny that biden committed the same crime?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

doesn’t come close to answering the question i asked.

do you need me to repeat it? if withholding aid as leverage to get a foreign power to do what you want, is a crime, how can you deny that biden committed the same crime?
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What benefit did he receive?
Did he receive assistance from a foreign government in our elections
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What benefit did he receive?
Did he receive assistance from a foreign government in our elections
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his son may have benefitted enormously.

and if ukraine investigates biden, wed all benefit. some people
may not feel this way when politics is concerned, but there's value in learning truth.

think of it this way, if the ukrainians investigated biden and found that the biden’s did nothing wrong, then what does trump gain? zilch. it makes trump look stupid.

make that wrong.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What benefit did he receive?
Did he receive assistance from a foreign government in our elections
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and biden did benefit, he was able to brag in front of cameras, very trump-like actually, about how he flexed his muscles and got a guy fired. it gave biden something to put on his resume
and brag about, which he did.

biden benefitted in political capital, just as trump would have if biden was investigated and found to be corrupt.

they all do things that benefit themselves politically. it’s only problematic when trump does it.

you can’t win this, not based on what we now know.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and biden did benefit, he was able to brag in front of cameras, very trump-like actually, about how he flexed his muscles and got a guy fired. it gave biden something to put on his resume
and brag about, which he did.

biden benefitted in political capital, just as trump would have if biden was investigated and found to be corrupt.

they all do things that benefit themselves politically. it’s only problematic when trump does it.

you can’t win this, not based on what we now know.
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Biden did it in public all in the open with support from Congress and allies
Trump did it in private with a backchannel investigation and made a phone call that even Bolton was wound about and numerous people said was wrong and refused to tell Congress why the aid was being held
You don’t have a prayer
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Biden did it in public all in the open with support from Congress and allies
Trump did it in private with a backchannel investigation and made a phone call that even Bolton was wound about and numerous people said was wrong and refused to tell Congress why the aid was being held
You don’t have a prayer
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You're getting more and more desperate to differentiate. Here's what you are currently saying. You're saying it's OK to withhold aid to get a foreign power to do something that benefits you, as long as you do it in the open. But doing it behind closed doors, is an impeachable offense. Do I have that right? You're the first person I've heard say that. Everyone in DC is saying that the quid pro quo itself was impeachable, never mind that Biden obviously did it too.

I don't need to have a prayer, I'm not that married to either side. No matter what happens, I'm not going to have a breakdown.

But let's clarify, hen you say I don't have a prayer, what do you mean - that he's going to get removed from office?