Rittenhouse was legally in possession of that rifle

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Oh, Pete edited that, to leave out the imperative to "be moral"? Gee, I wonder why Pete edited it that way.

There's liberalism. Right. There.

Pete, I'd just LOVE IT if you'd explain why you left out the part where Hawthorn said to also be moral?

You’re claiming that Hawthorn is a moral authority?

Quite comical coming from a guy who doesn’t care if his leaders even have morals, only that they’re billionaires or close.

Maybe your kid can be a moral y’all queda hero like Kyle

Would he make Dad proud?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You’re claiming that Hawthorn is a moral authority?

Quite comical coming from a guy who doesn’t care if his leaders even have morals, only that they’re billionaires or close.

Maybe your kid can be a moral y’all queda hero like Kyle

Would he make Dad proud?
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I'm claiming that he said what he said. Like a good liberal, you very deceptively edited what he said, to make it easier for your deranged intellect to respond to.

Why did you leave out the part where he asked people to "be moral"?

Maybe he's not a moral authority, but he's not the national armorer either. So if you don't take him seriously when he says "be moral", why do you take him literally when he said to be armed?

You're a liar. You got caught red-handed, with exactly zero room for deniability. Z-e-r-o.

Bitch. Slapped.

[Jim in CT]

CBS said yesterday that he illegally transported the rifle across state lines. They had to correct that.

They're not even trying to hide what they're trying to accomplish. STILL spreading lies.

[Pete F.]

If a black guy walked into Kenosha from out of town with an assault rifle and killed two people while severely wounding another we would have had a very different verdict.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If a black guy walked into Kenosha from out of town with an assault rifle and killed two people while severely wounding another we would have had a very different verdict.
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that’s all you got?

Tell that story to OJ Simpson.

broke brain. you got broke brain.


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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If a black guy walked into Kenosha from out of town with an assault rifle and killed two people while severely wounding another we would have had a very different verdict.
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so you’re best zinger comeback is:

“if the facts were different, I bet you wouldn’t like the outcome!”

i’m not saying there aren’t serious racial inequalities in the criminal
justice system ( and guess who advocated for criminal justice reform which blacks have been begging for, for decades? did obama
do it when his side controlled the legislature? or was it trump?).

the solution, isnt to
increase the wrongful convictions of whites.

this case never should have some to trial, like everything else that’s happened lately it’s completely blown up in the liberals faces. and your side hasn’t begun to pay yet. f this vehicular rampage is believed to be retaliation for Rittenhouse ( no evidence of that, but it’s a heck of a coincidence, and you don’t aim for people if you’re fleeing a prior crime scene) the rights reaction will be volcanic.
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[Pete F.]

So just what is the right wing media making out of that, an attack on Christmas?
Be very afraid
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So just what is the right wing media making out of that, an attack on Christmas?
Be very afraid
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right now, unlike what the lefty media does, the right wing media is reporting what is happening. as far as i know, they aren’t jumping to dangerous but politically convenient conclusions like the entire left did with Rittenhouse. they aren’t telling conservatives that liberals have declared war, which is how cnn and msnbc spun the rittenhouse tragedy.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

unlike what the lefty media does
.
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this is a good one....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is a good one....

saw that.

that’s about all you need to know. same person, two messages, ten days apart.

deflect the bad news, give him ( and our pal china!) credit for the good news.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

saw that.

that’s about all you need to know. same person, two messages, ten days apart.

deflect the bad news, give him ( and our pal china!) credit for the good news.
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I actually took the time to read both articles. There's no contradiction. She is reporting on two interviews with different industry experts on two related subjects.

[Raider Ronnie]

I hope this kid sues everyone involved for everything they have, starting with Joe Biden
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[Pete F.]

Imagine what conservative media and would be doing if the DNC were paying Biden's personal legal fees in a tax scam. "We're here talking to an unemployed waitress who gave $25 to Biden's campaign and now she feels...."

I’m fine with the RNC pissing away its war chest funding for the midterm elections on all these losing legal battles. Also, coming to Trump's rescue, it must register on some of the cult base that a man who needs rescuing financially is not a superstar business success.
But it’s hard to recognize the conman , when you're his mark
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Imagine what conservative media and would be doing if the DNC were paying Biden's personal legal fees in a tax scam. "We're here talking to an unemployed waitress who gave $25 to Biden's campaign and now she feels...."

I’m fine with the RNC pissing away its war chest funding for the midterm elections on all these losing legal battles. Also, coming to Trump's rescue, it must register on some of the cult base that a man who needs rescuing financially is not a superstar business success.
But it’s hard to recognize the conman , when you're his mark
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i see, the answer is, "but Trump!"

Pete, what is Trump getting from me, exactly? I don't like him, and I'm living my life and very rarely think about him. You don't like him, and you never stop obsessing about him, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. When does is stop?

YOU'RE his mark, not me.

[Pete F.]

I’m not funding him, you and your “ilk” are.

Back in the day, people who had achieved great things would visit the President at the White House.

But now, in the upside down, MAGA maniacs worship a murderer, who makes a pilgrimage to Mar-A-Lago to visit the twice-impeached riot inciter with Kim Jong-Un on his wall.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I’m not funding him, you and your “ilk” are.

Back in the day, people who had achieved great things would visit the President at the White House.

But now, in the upside down, MAGA maniacs worship a murderer, who makes a pilgrimage to Mar-A-Lago to visit the twice-impeached riot inciter with Kim Jong-Un on his wall.
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im not finding trump.

but when people
like you go out there and spew your woke, progressive lunacy…that does fund the gop. because it incentivizes people to get behind conservatives

you’re a huge gift to the right.

now that the trump distraction is out of the picture ( everywhere except in your mind), people can focus their attention on what liberals are saying and doing. Sadly for you, people
are increasingly finding it weird and scary.

Close all federal prisons in ten years? let every single federal convict out within ten years?

saying that at the same exact time as the mass murder in WI? at the hands of a guy who should have been locked up a long time ago?

your party is imploding in front of america’s eyes. almost every impulse and instinct they have, drives people away.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

im not finding trump.

but when people
like you go out there and spew your woke, progressive lunacy…that does fund the gop. because it incentivizes people to get behind conservatives

you’re a huge gift to the right.

now that the trump distraction is out of the picture ( everywhere except in your mind), people can focus their attention on what liberals are saying and doing. Sadly for you, people
are increasingly finding it weird and scary.

Close all federal prisons in ten years? let every single federal convict out within ten years?

saying that at the same exact time as the mass murder in WI? at the hands of a guy who should have been locked up a long time ago?

your party is imploding in front of america’s eyes. almost every impulse and instinct they have, drives people away.
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Sure Jim
Americans kill more Americans than foreigners kill Americans so we should probably play it safe and not let any more Americans into America.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sure Jim
Americans kill more Americans than foreigners kill Americans so we should probably play it safe and not let any more Americans into America.
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yes pete, i specifically said that it’s a good thing that americans kill each other.

more death!

according to your side, no cash bail,,defunding police, and closing federal prisons, are ideas that will result in fewer americans killing each other?

stick with that platform, especially right now, in a swing state like WI. that platform will be very popular in WI today.

so stupid.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

yes pete, i specifically said that it’s a good thing that americans kill each other.

more death!

according to your side, no cash bail,,defunding police, and closing federal prisons, are ideas that will result in fewer americans killing each other?

stick with that platform, especially right now, in a swing state like WI. that platform will be very popular in WI today.

so stupid.
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Cash bail is one of the bigger drivers of recividism, Sam gets arrested for a petty theft committed because he’s broke or nearly so. Can’t post bail, loses his job.
When he gets out he’s broke, homeless and jobless.
Wonder what his choices are?

Police get called for a welfare check, autistic person they are checking on freaks, untrained cops freak, someone ends up dead.
Defunding was an unfortunate choice of words, changing the role of police is supported by police.

For profit prisons have zero incentive to reduce recidivism, who’s going to reduce their customer base. We imprison far more people than other developed countries, is that because Americans are more likely to commit crimes?

But be very afraid, because someone has found an extreme example and presented it as the norm.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re a huge gift to the right.


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I wouldn't go that far...he must be tons of fun at the thanksgiving table

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I wouldn't go that far...he must be tons of fun at the thanksgiving table

his mindset is a huge gift.

In the same moment that the nation is watching with horror what happened in Wisconsin, and realizing how horribly the criminal
justice system in america failed to protect seniors and children from this animal. IN THAT SAME MOMENT, you have AOC calling for further reductions to bail, and you have Rashida Talib saying federal prisons should all be closed in ten years and every inmate released.

that’s taking stupid and incompetence to evangelical heights.

That’s a huge gift to the gop.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cvs-hom...me-11630505851
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I meant, in general, where do you get your info. Your "keep eating up what they feed you" sarc implies that Scott's sources feed him fake junk and you're sources don't feed you crap, but nourishes you with pure nutritious journalistic manna from the gods of truth.

As for your WSJ article, it doesn't discount what Scottw said. As in this quote from the article:
"Retail investigators blame changes in sentencing laws in some states for an uptick in thefts. In California, a 2014 law downgraded the theft of less than $950 worth of goods to a misdemeanor from a felony.


Also this WSJ article backs up Scottw's post: https://www.wsj.com/articles/califor...te-11604361241

If you think the WSJ feeds you good stuff, would you like to discuss its articles on Critical Race Theory, or the Rittenhouse verdict?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I meant, in general, where do you get your info. Your "keep eating up what they feed you" sarc implies that Scott's sources feed him fake junk and you're sources don't feed you crap, but nourishes you with pure nutritious journalistic manna from the gods of truth.

As for your WSJ article, it doesn't discount what Scottw said. As in this quote from the article:
"Retail investigators blame changes in sentencing laws in some states for an uptick in thefts. In California, a 2014 law downgraded the theft of less than $950 worth of goods to a misdemeanor from a felony.


Also this WSJ article backs up Scottw's post: https://www.wsj.com/articles/califor...te-11604361241

If you think the WSJ feeds you good stuff, would you like to discuss its articles on Critical Race Theory, or the Rittenhouse verdict?

So a 2014 law puts this in the news now?

Be very afraid
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So a 2014 law puts this in the news now?

Be very afraid
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Why are you asking me? I quoted the article YOU posted. Check with the WSJ.

If I were to attempt a guess, I would suppose it takes time to develop new strategies to changing circumstances. As those strategies seem to succeed, they proliferate over time. Until it becomes an obvious crisis and authorities react with new laws and greater enforcement. There seems to have been a confluence of loosening restrictions and cutting law enforcement. With the obvious results. So regulations and enforcement may change in another or previous direction.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Why are you asking me? I quoted the article YOU posted. Check with the WSJ.

If I were to attempt a guess, I would suppose it takes time to develop new strategies to changing circumstances. As those strategies seem to succeed, they proliferate over time. Until it becomes an obvious crisis and authorities react with new laws and greater enforcement. There seems to have been a confluence of loosening restrictions and cutting law enforcement. With the obvious results. So regulations and enforcement may change in another or previous direction.

Or maybe just like the cost of everything over time, it becomes ineffective to enforce laws for minor transgressions that cost $5K to prosecute for a $500 crime.
But those are very important and the IRS enforcing tax fraud that’s millions isn’t worth it
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Or maybe just like the cost of everything over time, it becomes ineffective to enforce laws for minor transgressions that cost $5K to prosecute for a $500 crime.

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this is true...an AR-15 is less expensive and more effective for preventing these transgressions...and you probably only need to prevent one to send a clear message that these transgressions won't be tolerated

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Or maybe just like the cost of everything over time, it becomes ineffective to enforce laws for minor transgressions that cost $5K to prosecute for a $500 crime.
But those are very important and the IRS enforcing tax fraud that’s millions isn’t worth it
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I don't think it's so much that enforcing laws for minor transgression becomes ineffective, it's more a budget allocation thing. Which causes resentment in the community because government is deemed to cater to what and where it is more profitable. In that scenario, poorer sections are plagued more by "minor" transgressions because in the areas where the source of government funding is located, it is more financially rewarding to be more scrupulous about prosecuting ticky-tack crimes.

In my opinion, tending to the "minor" crimes as well as the major ones, can curb the growth of the bigger crimes. Letting the little ones go can be like letting a little cancer grow.

Comparing the IRS to local law enforcement is unfair. The federal government, in effect, has fairly unlimited funding. But it, too, no matter how much it tries to convince us differently, depends on the places that produce wealth. It can pretend to look after poor folks by passing nice sounding legislation and spreading sops into poor communities, or throwing big sums of money there which mostly goes to administration than to the people.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I don't think it's so much that enforcing laws for minor transgression becomes ineffective, it's more a budget allocation thing. Which causes resentment in the community because government is deemed to cater to what and where it is more profitable. In that scenario, poorer sections are plagued more by "minor" transgressions because in the areas where the source of government funding is located, it is more financially rewarding to be more scrupulous about prosecuting ticky-tack crimes.

In my opinion, tending to the "minor" crimes as well as the major ones, can curb the growth of the bigger crimes. Letting the little ones go can be like letting a little cancer grow.

Comparing the IRS to local law enforcement is unfair. The federal government, in effect, has fairly unlimited funding. But it, too, no matter how much it tries to convince us differently, depends on the places that produce wealth. It can pretend to look after poor folks by passing nice sounding legislation and spreading sops into poor communities, or throwing big sums of money there which mostly goes to administration than to the people.

Or let billionaires steal millions while chasing “peons” for dollars
Because the “unlimited” dollars can’t come from the people who end up with them, the serfs need to pay up for the privilege of having some trickle down to them
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Or let billionaires steal millions while chasing “peons” for dollars
Because the “unlimited” dollars can’t come from the people who end up with them, the serfs need to pay up for the privilege of having some trickle down to them
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Sounds like you're ready for a revolution. You should get an AR15 and lots of bullets.

Or you can rely on Biden.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Or let billionaires steal millions while chasing “peons” for dollars
Because the “unlimited” dollars can’t come from the people who end up with them, the serfs need to pay up for the privilege of having some trickle down to them
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you just posted recently that the vast majority if those who run our economy, vote democrat. so take this argument up with the dnc.
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