Iraq na Phobia

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Since when is outrage over incompetency and our harm to our troops partisan?

Talk about calling the kettle black.

-spence

It was in reference to the whole charge Bush with War Crimes thing................but now that you mention it; If only we could focus all that outrage at the people who actually are harming our troops. I know, I know, Bush is the true enemy yada yada yada, We hear the same crap all the time from Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong, Al Queda and Al Jazeera. It's real old. Done with this.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

I know, I know, Bush is the true enemy yada yada yada, We hear the same crap all the time from Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong, Al Queda and Al Jazeera. It's real old. Done with this.

So you think Skitterpop is on the same side as Iran and Bin Laden?

That's pretty perverted.

And it's really missing the point. Bush isn't the enemy but to defeat terrorisim we need to win by example. The real secret weapon we can employ is to reinforce globally what's made America great. On this front Bush doesn't have a clue.

-spence

[basswipe]

2941 confirmed dead US Soldiers.All these fine folks for a culture(religion) that HATES us.

God is good,god is great effing islam should be sh!t on my plate!

We need to leave there and LET THEM KILL THEMSELVES!!!Its what they are best at...killing themselves.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

So you think Skitterpop is on the same side as Iran and Bin Laden?

That's pretty perverted.


-spence

I suppose it could be considered perverted thinking if it ever actually occured.

But they probably do get a comfortable little smile on their face when they hear and read some of the crap the Left puts out in this country.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

But they probably do get a comfortable little smile on their face when they hear and read some of the crap the Left puts out in this country.

Not sure why you waste your valuable brain time on stuff like this.

You don't think Bin Laden was praising Allah when Bush invaded Iraq?

You don't think Bin Laden wasn't dancing around his cave when is was clear there was no WMD?

You don't think Bin Laden doesn't &$^#%CENSORED&$^$ his AK-47 every day when Iraqi violence seems to keep increasing up, and up and up...

The new (and non liberal) Iraq Group Report has had the displeasure of reporting to the American people that the "drive by media" has actually be dramatically under reporting violence in Iraq because of how the US Government has been skewing statistics.

It would seem as though reality is our own worst enemy.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Not sure why you waste your valuable brain time on stuff like this.

You don't think Bin Laden was praising Allah when Bush invaded Iraq?

You don't think Bin Laden wasn't dancing around his cave when is was clear there was no WMD?

You don't think Bin Laden doesn't &$^#%CENSORED&$^$ his AK-47 every day when Iraqi violence seems to keep increasing up, and up and up...

The new (and non liberal) Iraq Group Report has had the displeasure of reporting to the American people that the "drive by media" has actually be dramatically under reporting violence in Iraq because of how the US Government has been skewing statistics.

It would seem as though reality is our own worst enemy.

-spence

Spin and counter-spin. The really crappy thing about wars is they never go the way you would like. Maybe Bin Laden has won some battles as you love to point out but so have we. No doubt his greatest victory would be the American People charging their own President with War Crimes. Couple that with running away from a fight with Al Queda (yes Al Queda is in Iraq) and.......use your imagination from there.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

The really crappy thing about wars is they never go the way you would like.

Of course, that's why you're supposed to have contingency plans!

Not the "let's assume the worst case" to get us in and then "assume the best case" once we're there.

Maybe Bin Laden has won some battles as you love to point out but so have we. No doubt his greatest victory would be the American People charging their own President with War Crimes. Couple that with running away from a fight with Al Queda (yes Al Queda is in Iraq) and.......use your imagination from there.

We've has some tactical wins but little in the way of strategic wins against global terrorisim. If Bush was charged with war crimes or impeached Bin Laden wouldn't see it as a victory against the West, it would simply be confirmation of his beliefs that our leadership is corrupt.

And that's the rub. To hide what most around the world believe as unethical at best, or illegal at worst in the name of patriotisim is a serious compromise to the same moral superiority we claim to be standing up for in the middle east.

Try as you may to cast this aside as partisanship, but in doing so you're separating yourself from the values of classical liberalisim that in the hands of nearly free men gave birth to the Declaration of Independence and the US Constiturion.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Like Father like son....... just an excerpt...


International War Crimes Tribunal
United States War Crimes Against Iraq Initial Complaint
Charging

George Bush, J. Danforth Quayle, James Baker,
Richard Cheney, William Webster, Colin Powell,
Norman Schwarzkopf and Others to be named
With
Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against
Humanity and Other Criminal Acts and High Crimes in
Violation of the Charter of the United Nations,
International Law, the Constitution of the United States
and Laws made in Pursuance Thereof.

Preliminary Statement

These charges have been prepared prior to the first hearing of the Commission of Inquiry by its staff. They are based on direct and circumstantial evidence from public and private documents; official statements and admissions by the persons charged and others; eyewitness accounts; Commission investigations and witness interviews in Iraq, the Middle East and elsewhere during and after the bombing; photographs and video tape; expert analyses; commentary and interviews; media coverage, published reports and accounts gathered between December 1990 and May l991. Commission of Inquiry hearings will be held in key cities where evidence is available supporting, expanding, adding, contradicting, disproving or explaining these, or similar charges against the accused and others of whatever nationality. When evidence sufficient to sustain convictions of the accused or others is obtained and after demanding the production of documents from the U.S. government, and others, and requesting testimony from the accused, offering them a full opportunity to present any defense personally, or by counsel, the evidence will be presented to an International War Crimes Tribunal. The Tribunal will consider the evidence gathered, seek and examine whatever additional evidence it chooses and render its judgment on the charges, the evidence, and the law