Student loan forgiveness

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Why would people at the top of their field work for less in education, than they can command in the private sector?"

Because teaching is supposed to be a calling.

I love building things, always have, are you suggesting I should do it for free?

Just how much, now that you are an admitted communist, would you set education professionals compensation at?

You seem to have a problem with markets setting prices only in this case.

The higher ed market is currently thinning itself out, teaching jobs in colleges are much scarcer than they were 15 years ago.

Thinking that professors salaries drives the cost of higher ed is incorrect, here is one retired dean's take on it.

Students in the USA (unlike in other countries) have come to expect MUCH more from college than just education. They want an active social life, a luxurious (or at least very comfortable) room in the domitory, high quality food in the cafeteria, lots of fun sports, fraternities and sororities—FUN, FUN, FUN. They also want a beautiful campus with lots of lovely buildings and state of the art equipment, etc. All of this is expensive.

Can we significantly lower the cost of higher education? Absolutely. Eliminate all the frills and provide high quality teaching—ONLY. Nothing else. Do some or all teaching online (teaching online has become very sophisticated and very effective). This eliminates the need for huge costly campuses that require massive maintenance. A single building where administration resides, some classrooms are available, and testing is done should be enough. And eliminate the formula for government subsidies for tuition. Give students a fixed sum instead of a percentage of tuition to help with costs.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I love building things, always have, are you suggesting I should do it for free?

Just how much, now that you are an admitted communist, would you set education professionals compensation at?

You seem to have a problem with markets setting prices only in this case.

The higher ed market is currently thinning itself out, teaching jobs in colleges are much scarcer than they were 15 years ago.

Thinking that professors salaries drives the cost of higher ed is incorrect, here is one retired dean's take on it.

Students in the USA (unlike in other countries) have come to expect MUCH more from college than just education. They want an active social life, a luxurious (or at least very comfortable) room in the domitory, high quality food in the cafeteria, lots of fun sports, fraternities and sororities—FUN, FUN, FUN. They also want a beautiful campus with lots of lovely buildings and state of the art equipment, etc. All of this is expensive.

Can we significantly lower the cost of higher education? Absolutely. Eliminate all the frills and provide high quality teaching—ONLY. Nothing else. Do some or all teaching online (teaching online has become very sophisticated and very effective). This eliminates the need for huge costly campuses that require massive maintenance. A single building where administration resides, some classrooms are available, and testing is done should be enough. And eliminate the formula for government subsidies for tuition. Give students a fixed sum instead of a percentage of tuition to help with costs.

i never said private sector work was a calling. i said teaching is supposed to be a calling. you have a real problem hearing what people are saying, don’t you? when trump says rat infested, you hear black infested. When i say teaching is supposed to be a calling, you hear that construction is supposed to be a calling? maybe get checked for
dimentia, or try taking off the tin foil
hat.

baltimore spends over $16,000 per student, each year. is the problem a lack of money? or is the problem a misallocation of money? there are some problems, for which the solution, isn’t higher taxes.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i never said private sector work was a calling. i said teaching is supposed to be a calling. you have a real problem hearing what people are saying, don’t you? when trump says rat infested, you hear black infested. When i say teaching is supposed to be a calling, you hear that construction is supposed to be a calling? maybe get checked for
dimentia, or try taking off the tin foil
hat.

baltimore spends over $16,000 per student, each year. is the problem a lack of money? or is the problem a misallocation of money? there are some problems, for which the solution, isn’t higher taxes.
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So teaching is a kind of work that you do not need to be paid for, or just less valuable in your mind and should only be done by old maids?

What does Baltimore education or the cost thereof, have to do with higher ed?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So teaching is a kind of work that you do not need to be paid for, or just less valuable in your mind and should only be done by old maids?

yup...that's exactly what he said

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

yup...that's exactly what he said

syllable for syllable.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I love building things, always have, are you suggesting I should do it for free?

Just how much, now that you are an admitted communist, would you set education professionals compensation at?

You seem to have a problem with markets setting prices only in this case.

The higher ed market is currently thinning itself out, teaching jobs in colleges are much scarcer than they were 15 years ago.

Thinking that professors salaries drives the cost of higher ed is incorrect, here is one retired dean's take on it.

Students in the USA (unlike in other countries) have come to expect MUCH more from college than just education. They want an active social life, a luxurious (or at least very comfortable) room in the domitory, high quality food in the cafeteria, lots of fun sports, fraternities and sororities—FUN, FUN, FUN. They also want a beautiful campus with lots of lovely buildings and state of the art equipment, etc. All of this is expensive.

Can we significantly lower the cost of higher education? Absolutely. Eliminate all the frills and provide high quality teaching—ONLY. Nothing else. Do some or all teaching online (teaching online has become very sophisticated and very effective). This eliminates the need for huge costly campuses that require massive maintenance. A single building where administration resides, some classrooms are available, and testing is done should be enough. And eliminate the formula for government subsidies for tuition. Give students a fixed sum instead of a percentage of tuition to help with costs.

"Just how much, now that you are an admitted communist, would you set education professionals compensation at?"

Here in CT, education compensation is at levels that are tens of billions of dollars more, than the highest taxes in the country, could ever fund. That is mathematical fact. And it suggests to me, that the spending is the problem.

So I'd set all public employee compensation at whatever can be funded by reasonable taxes. I'm sure that sounds bonkers to you.

"Thinking that professors salaries drives the cost of higher ed is incorrect, here is one retired dean's take on it."

I love it when you find one guy somewhere who writes something, and as long as it's liberal, that's good enough for you to give it 100% credibility.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Just how much, now that you are an admitted communist, would you set education professionals compensation at?"

Here in CT, education compensation is at levels that are tens of billions of dollars more, than the highest taxes in the country, could ever fund. That is mathematical fact. And it suggests to me, that the spending is the problem.

So I'd set all public employee compensation at whatever can be funded by reasonable taxes. I'm sure that sounds bonkers to you.

"Thinking that professors salaries drives the cost of higher ed is incorrect, here is one retired dean's take on it."

I love it when you find one guy somewhere who writes something, and as long as it's liberal, that's good enough for you to give it 100% credibility.

We all get to vote for or run for the positions that control our taxes. Apparently the majority of the residents of Connecticut disagree with you. Quit whining, do something or move.

You find that viewpoint on higher ed liberal?
Just how would the conservative viewpoint differ from that?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Quit whining, do something or move.

if trump said this it would be racist