Odd view of Democracy

[wdmso]

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.
He also threatened to release unflattering information about the 44-year-old, without providing details.


America 1st my arse !

Trumps all in on opposition research Unless it’s about Him?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.
He also threatened to release unflattering information about the 44-year-old, without providing details.


America 1st my arse !

Trumps all in on opposition research Unless it’s about Him?

That’s funny, nobody has hurt the GOP more than Trump.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

That’s funny, nobody has hurt the GOP more than Trump.

in 2022, probably. . overall? nope. Nobody else had a prayer against hilary.

look at where the gop was after he lost in 2020, and where they are right now. compared to what the democrats looked like after obama? not even close.

trump pulled off an absolute miracle in 2016. for sure, now it’s time for him to go. he’s of non use anymore. he’s very toxic.

but i’m sad to say he’s probably running. no chance of winning. biden would beat him again.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

but i’m sad to say he’s probably running. no chance of winning. biden would beat him again.

don't be sad....the mid-term results, had the tsunami occurred would have made it very hard for brandon to run in 2024 and would have solidified trumpster as the gop candidate...as it stands, the gop will control the house and the hearings can commence, they may control the senate, we'll have to see, it will make it very difficult for trump to have momentum, I heard some of his most ardent supporters yesterday say he shouldn't run, brandon is now solidified as the dems' 2024 best and brightest with a sinking economy, a sinking ability to communicate and very little that looks promising on the horizon for the next 2 years with higher costs, rates....republicans did very well in local elections, school boards etc...2024 is a more favorable year I believe in the senate for republicans....

aside, they were actually discussing the potential for fedderwoman for president yesterday on msnbc.....it's hilarious but I believe they were serious

[Pete F.]

You can’t blame it all on Trump, it appears that when a party promises to take away women's civil rights, when they promise to take away peoples' Social Security benefits, when they refuse to lower prescription prices, when they mock transgender people, and when they vote against lowering gas prices, they lose.
Unless they’ve desanctimoniously moved to Floriduh.
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[Got Stripers]

I really hope Trump announces he is running, then he can complete his dismantling of the GOP, the debates between him and Ron will be epic.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I really hope Trump announces he is running, then he can complete his dismantling of the GOP, the debates between him and Ron will be epic.

the debates between brandon and fedderwoman would be much better and more troubling.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I really hope Trump announces he is running, then he can complete his dismantling of the GOP, the debates between him and Ron will be epic.

i hadn’t known Trump threatened Desantis until
wayne posted it. It’s inexcusable. I’m at the point where if he was the GOP nominee i’m not sure if i’d vote for him.

If desantis were to beat him somehow in a primary, i’d bet trump would run as a third party candidate

In what way is the GOP dismantled? When this election is over and counted, the GOP will probably have a small house majority, probably 50 or 51 senate seats, and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. The GOP right now, is way way stronger than the democrats were in 2016, it’s not even close. that’s mathematical fact.

Trump is suppressing what the GOP could
be doing for sure, but they’re not dismantled. If we can put him in the rear view mirror, the gop will be in great shape. but that’s a big if.

If i was a democrat i’d be praying he’s the GOP nominee in. 2024. Who on the left would look good next to Desantis. If it’s Newsom ( my guess), all Desantis has to do is point out how many people are fleeing CA and how many are moving to FL. What’s the comeback to that?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I’m at the point where if he was the GOP nominee i’m not sure if i’d vote for him.

I heard he's going to jail for stealing and selling our most secret nuclear secrets

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i hadn’t known Trump threatened Desantis until
wayne posted it. It’s inexcusable. I’m at the point where if he was the GOP nominee i’m not sure if i’d vote for him.

If desantis were to beat him somehow in a primary, i’d bet trump would run as a third party candidate

In what way is the GOP dismantled? When this election is over and counted, the GOP will probably have a small house majority, probably 50 or 51 senate seats, and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. The GOP right now, is way way stronger than the democrats were in 2016, it’s not even close. that’s mathematical fact.

Trump is suppressing what the GOP could
be doing for sure, but they’re not dismantled. If we can put him in the rear view mirror, the gop will be in great shape. but that’s a big if.

If i was a democrat i’d be praying he’s the GOP. i i went. 2024. Who in the left would look good next to Desantis. If it’s Newsom ( my guess), all Desantis has to do is point out how many people
are fleeing CA and how many are moving to FL. What’s the comeback to that?

Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro pulled off bigger upsets than Ron DeSantis. What would you rather have? A candidate that can win in a swing state or a candidate that wins big in a state largely full of their own voters?

Florida is Florida (and TX is TX), but does an anti-abortion-access/anti-science/anti-corporation presidential candidate attract moderate Rs and Is?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro pulled off bigger upsets

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dear pete...whitmer was "re-elected"

and shapiro was elected in a state that decided it was a good idea to send fedderwoman to the senate.....soooooo

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro pulled off bigger upsets than Ron DeSantis. What would you rather have? A candidate that can win in a swing state or a candidate that wins big in a state largely full of their own voters?

Florida is Florida (and TX is TX), but does an anti-abortion-access/anti-science/anti-corporation presidential candidate attract moderate Rs and Is?
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I never said Desantis’ win was an upset. Never came close to saying it. his margin of victory is impressive, his win in Miami Dade is noteworthy, and his accomplishments are extraordinary. 850 people
a day are moving to FL. 850 a day.

Whitmer, similarly, wasn’t an upset. She’s an incumbent who isn’t unpopular with her party.

Shapiro is impressive.

Desantis is a big reason why FL isn’t a swing state right now. 4 years ago he won by a point. tuesday he won by 20. show me an incumbent who won de election, who i creased his margin of history by 20 points?

Florida was a swing state until Desantis took over. You’ll
never admit it, but he simply a solid leader. The good thing is, it doesn’t matter at all that you can’t admit it. it’s true whether you like it or not.

who is anti science? Desantis? He’s one of the i my governors who got the science right on covid, one of the only ones who bucked the trend and kept his state unemployment way below national averages and kept kids in school. again, no one cares if you hate that fact. It’s still a fact.

who’s anti corporation? I’m curious who you’re saying is anti corporation.

you’re coming unglued my man.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I never said Desantis’ win was an upset.

you’re coming unglued my man.

no but he went from barely winning last time to winning by 20 points in a state where pete told us he killed all of his voters and geraldo told us latinos were going to make him pay for something he did and pete told us crist was winning bigly....

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I never said Desantis’ win was an upset. Never came close to saying it. his margin of victory is impressive, his win in Miami Dade is noteworthy, and his accomplishments are extraordinary. 850 people
a day are moving to FL. 850 a day.

Whitmer, similarly, wasn’t an upset. She’s an incumbent who isn’t unpopular with her party.

Shapiro is impressive.

Desantis is a big reason why FL isn’t a swing state right now. 4 years ago he won by a point. tuesday he won by 20. show me an incumbent who won de election, who i creased his margin of history by 20 points?

Florida was a swing state until Desantis took over. You’ll
never admit it, but he simply a solid leader. The good thing is, it doesn’t matter at all that you can’t admit it. it’s true whether you like it or not.

who is anti science? Desantis? He’s one of the i my governors who got the science right on covid, one of the only ones who bucked the trend and kept his state unemployment way below national averages and kept kids in school. again, no one cares if you hate that fact. It’s still a fact.

who’s anti corporation? I’m curious who you’re saying is anti corporation.

you’re coming unglued my man.

You’re right in that I don’t think he’s a good leader, he’s demonstrated many times that he’s got a glass chin and can’t handle political battles.

What the #^&#^&#^&#^& did you THINK would happen?

The Florida GOP is the single best Republican party in the country, hands down. It has infinite money, a deep bench of consultants and operatives, and *wins.*
It’s Alabama football vs the Middle Missouri Girls’ Preparatory Academy Field Hockey team.
The FL Dems? Tough love time: they can’t organize a two-car motorcade, I’ve got more money in my glove compartment, and their skilled operators could fit around a Waffle House table.
And here’s the REAL tough love: they let themselves be painted as far to the left in a RED STATE. Florida is and has been and is become more of a red state by the day. The idea that DeSantis and Rubio “turned Florida red” is absurd, an almost hilariously bad take.
Florida was and has been a red state for a generation; blue wins were largely just statistical noise, certainly at the statewide level. This win is not the flex you think it is.

This is like Mike Tyson boxing with a 90 year old man in a nursing home. The outcome is not unexpected.

Frankly, the question isn’t why DeSantis won by 20 points. Rather, why didn’t he win by 40 points?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.
He also threatened to release unflattering information about the 44-year-old, without providing details.


America 1st my arse !

Trumps all in on opposition research Unless it’s about Him?

you’re spot on with this post, sincerely. it’s unbelievable that trump would threaten Desantis this way. From my perspective, trump has to go.

[wdmso]

the gop will control the house and the hearings can commence,
And republicans did very well in local elections, school boards etc.


Wow aren’t you the happiest little red hat .. here .. and think it’s payback time.

Good luck with that. The house is going to be like watching family feud with the participants being all Republicans . And who can show the base they own the libs more..

There will be. Nothing ! no bills to fight inflation, or gas prices or production

It will be useless attempts to get rid of Obama care or the inflation reduction act. Afghanistan will be the new Benghazi. . And the next 2 years republicans will be. Looking backwards, and blaming fraud on their poorest performance in mid term. History
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And the next 2 years republicans will be. Looking backwards,
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Did you criticize democrats for "looking backwards" when they wasted all that time on a fake Russia hoax?

If Joe and Hunter didn't do anything wrong, they have nothing to worry about.

There will be hearings. Elections have consequences.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Did you criticize democrats for "looking backwards" when they wasted all that time on a fake Russia hoax?


Russia
Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin admits interfering in US elections
Russian businessman and founder of Wagner Group says interference will continue as midterms loom some Hoax


If Joe and Hunter didn't do anything wrong, they have nothing to worry about.

but this isn't a hoax LOL


There will be hearings. Elections have consequences.

Jim republicans have no concept of consequences or the rule of law
just look at the Jan 6th committee they punted on any resemblance of Accountability

If Joe and Hunter didn't do anything wrong, they have nothing to worry about.

Is that how you think the Law and Justices works Jim ? did you say that about Trump and all his current investigations..

Nope you referred to them as a HOAX

it's a sad position to take! its all revenge for you balled up in a twisted logic elections have consequences.. While truth facts and the rule of law be damned

[wdmso]

Unfounded? There have been all kinds of problems in Maricopa, started early Tuesday. It's a complete mess.

Spoken like you just finish a glass of election denial Kool Aid

here's the truth! Problems with voting machines in Arizona’s Maricopa County trigger unfounded fraud claims yep Jim carrying the message again



The issue was affecting about a quarter of voting locations, officials said. No one was being prevented from voting, and lines were short in many locations.

County officials stressed that no one was being prevented from voting and that no one’s ballot had been mishandled. They have said for weeks that ballot counting could take as many as 12 days.

Fuel for baseless right-wing claims
The issues with the tabulators were quickly used by right-leaning influencers as fuel for their claims that the 2022 midterms are vulnerable to election fraud, according to the Election Integrity Partnership, a research coalition that focuses on misinformation around elections.

"Attention spiked after a tweet from Charlie Kirk, which fueled others who allege that these machine failures are deliberate," the research group said.


maricopa county just happens to represents more than 60 percent of Arizona's registered voters.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

maricopa county just happens to represents more than 60 percent of Arizona's registered voters.

There are more people in many many places that didn't have this problem.

Youre defending what's happening in Maricopa, only because someone you hate complained about it.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There are more people in many many places that didn't have this problem.

Youre defending what's happening in Maricopa, only because someone you hate complained about it.

Republicans want faster results so they can prematurely claim victory

The GOP in Arizona run the elections. And lake is upset their counting and checking signatures
Actually providing election integrity and security

Yet last night hannity and Ingram were in full fraud mode referring to Arizona as a 3rd world country
Yet in 2020 fox was attacked by Trump campaign attacks Fox News polling expert who called Arizona for Biden

Only their dumb base can’t remember what happened last time

There’s a saying in shooting slow is smooth and smooth is fast
Election counts aren’t a race
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Republicans want faster results so they can prematurely claim victory

The GOP in Arizona run the elections. And lake is upset their counting and checking signatures
Actually providing election integrity and security

Yet last night hannity and Ingram were in full fraud mode referring to Arizona as a 3rd world country
Yet in 2020 fox was attacked by Trump campaign attacks Fox News polling expert who called Arizona for Biden

Only their dumb base can’t remember what happened last time

There’s a saying in shooting slow is smooth and smooth is fast
Election counts aren’t a race
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have you ever gotten one right? EVER?

i don’t want faster results for premature victories, einstein. i want fast and accurate results because that’s normal
to want that. How come 50 years ago, we knew with a day who all
the winners were, now it takes weeks? if FL and CT can do it in a day, everyone else can.

the longer it goes, the fishier it’s going to seem.

The percentage of time you’re wrong, is breathtaking.

FL and CT are done counting, and no one is complaining even though there were some close races in CT. but no protests about cheating.

There’s absolutely no reason why every state can’t do it.

[Pete F.]

Trump is now claiming he ordered the FBI and U.S. Attorneys to stop the ballot counting in the 2018 Florida Governor race, so DeSantis would narrowly win. Trump, who knows he’s going to prison anyway, is confessing to felonies just to scandalize DeSantis. This is going to be fun.
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[Jim in CT]

here’s a better idea of democracy that WDMSO will have no problem with. Last night, on the season finale of a CBS courtroom drama show called “The Good Fight”, a victim claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Governor Desantis. They couldn’t make up a fictional character to be governor

Subtle.

The accuser in the show was shown to be lying, but come on.

The 2024 election has commenced.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

here’s a better idea of democracy that WDMSO will have no problem with. Last night, on the season finale of a CBS courtroom drama show called “The Good Fight”, a victim claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Governor Desantis. They couldn’t make up a fictional character to be governor



Subtle.

The accuser in the show was shown to be lying, but come on.

The 2024 election has commenced.

Using your hunter and Joe example

If Ron did nothing wrong Ron has nothing to fear.

The election commencing should not pause an investigation
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Using your hunter and Joe example

If Ron did nothing wrong Ron has nothing to fear.

The election commencing should not pause an investigation
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well...it was a tv show sooooo..........

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

well...it was a tv show sooooo..........

a shameless plotline in which a gay character accuses Republican Florida Governor RonDeSantis of sexual assault.

Staples’ accusation itself, the former intern claims to his prospective legal team, “I offered my political services to Governor Ron DeSantis. He saw me in my bicycle shorts, worn purely for medical reasons, and he invited me onto his staff.

“Little did I know what he meant by ‘staff,'” he adds.

Lockhart asks Staples if had any witnesses who could support his outrageous allegations.

“No, I have better,” he replies, presenting her with a red ‘Florida is for Lovers shirt’ splattered with what he claims is DeSantis’ seminal fluid. “I have a stain.”



Eventually, Staples admits that he lied about the entire event because because smearing him would help his own candidate – former president Donald Trump – surge ahead in the polls regarding a potential 2024 presidential campaign.


Triggered by a head line and just what one would expect Trump supporters to do if their dear leader is challenge

Trumps already threatened Ron with
Trump Threatens to Reveal Unflattering Information About DeSantis if He Runs

Jim and Scott I know zero people who watch this show or the view and if they are any moved or convinced it’s true after watching
Their Republicans because you guys believe anything not True

Just like your suggestion the network is trying to influence an election.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

a shameless plotline in which a gay character accuses Republican Florida Governor RonDeSantis of sexual assault.

Staples’ accusation itself, the former intern claims to his prospective legal team, “I offered my political services to Governor Ron DeSantis. He saw me in my bicycle shorts, worn purely for medical reasons, and he invited me onto his staff.

“Little did I know what he meant by ‘staff,'” he adds.

Lockhart asks Staples if had any witnesses who could support his outrageous allegations.

“No, I have better,” he replies, presenting her with a red ‘Florida is for Lovers shirt’ splattered with what he claims is DeSantis’ seminal fluid. “I have a stain.”



Eventually, Staples admits that he lied about the entire event because because smearing him would help his own candidate – former president Donald Trump – surge ahead in the polls regarding a potential 2024 presidential campaign.


Triggered by a head line and just what one would expect Trump supporters to do if their dear leader is challenge

Trumps already threatened Ron with
Trump Threatens to Reveal Unflattering Information About DeSantis if He Runs

Jim and Scott I know zero people who watch this show or the view and if they are any moved or convinced it’s true after watching
Their Republicans because you guys believe anything not True

Just like your suggestion the network is trying to influence an election.
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why did they pick Desantis and not Gavin Newsom?

you pivot to trump, that’s what about-ism!!

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

a shameless plotline in which a gay character accuses Republican Florida Governor RonDeSantis of sexual assault.


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oh good...you figured out that it was a tv show....nice job Sherlock!

[Jim in CT]

wayne, it also appears the gop won the popular vote tuesday. yet they probably won’t control
the senate

so since the left likes to claim that popular vote is what should
matter, will you say that the gop should
therefore control the senate? Or do you only claim to have that principle when it suits you?