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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

people with phds have low vaccination rates. i didn’t say doctors. i said people with phds. i don’t know what the point is of discussing the type of PhD.

as always, you don’t like that fact, so you look for a way to dismiss it. that’s easier than admitting that things arent as simple as you want them to be.
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I know some pretty stupid smart people, if you aren’t watching the death toll climb, hospital ICU’s beginning to load up again in colder climates and noting it’s still primarily the unvaccinated suffering the worst and not reconsidering vaccination; maybe your not as smart as your PHD might indicate.

[Pete F.]

No, the statistics do.
The federal government with it’s limited powers has done what it can to get people vaccinated.
Why is it that you think that government has the right to tell some what they may or may not do with their bodies?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No, the statistics do.
The federal government with it’s limited powers has done what it can to get people vaccinated.
Why is it that you think that government has the right to tell some what they may or may not do with their bodies?
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there you go again sadly. i cannot imagine what i said that would
make you think i believe the government can force people
to get vaccinated

what i said, and i’m
right, is that lefties are very selective about who they insult for not being vaccinated. lefties get all worked up about trumplicans not being vaccinated, but refuse to address blacks and PhDs who aren’t vaccinated.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there you go again sadly. i cannot imagine what i said that would
make you think i believe the government can force people
to get vaccinated

what i said, and i’m
right, is that lefties are very selective about who they insult for not being vaccinated. lefties get all worked up about trumplicans not being vaccinated, but refuse to address blacks and PhDs who aren’t vaccinated.
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You believe that government has the right to force women to carry a baby for 9 months to save a life, but not that she should have to be vaccinated to save her life, the infants and others.

The media that’s telling you to be insulted is also telling people that vaccination is bad.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You believe that government has the right to force women to carry a baby for 9 months to save a life, but not that she should have to be vaccinated to save her life, the infants and others.

The media that’s telling you to be insulted is also telling people that vaccination is bad.
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let’s go slow here.

do you support state laws which prohibit female teachers from having consensual relations with male students?

i bet you do. almost everyone does.

If i’m correct in assuming you support those laws, that means YOU support laws which limit the choices women can make with their own bodies, IF those choices would hurt “someone else”.

therefore, the only thing that matters in the abortion debate, is whether or not the baby represents “someone else.”

That’s it. everything else is a smokescreen.

every criminal law on the books, limits the choices we can make, so stop pretending that there aren’t any limits you’d place on the choices women can make with their own bodies.

i’ve had this debate a thousand times. there is no liberal response to this. none.

it’s not about “choice”, because you and i both agree that choices should be limited when “someone else” is hurt.

All that matters, is whether or not the baby represents “someone else.”

i’m 100% ok with people ( including women) making any choices they want, as long as they don’t hurt someone else.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

let’s go slow here

i’m 100% ok with people ( including women) making any choices they want, as long as they don’t hurt someone else.
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It’s really simple

You believe that government has the right to force women to carry a baby for 9 months to save what you believe to be a life, but not that she should have to be vaccinated to save her life, the infants and the lives of others
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[wdmso]

i don’t distinguish between republicans and democrats. but you and wdmso do.

Maybe you should because the distinction is Huge ., and the reasons Republicans refuse the vaccine the masks and any other suggestion to combat Covid

Is based 99.99 % on misinformation and political bias spewed by Republicans and conservatives themselves ..

Yes their are other groups who also choose or have smaller overall vaccine rates but the Truth is

analysis finds that Republicans and Republican leaning independents, who represent 41% of adults, now make up 60% of the adult unvaccinated population across the country and that political partisanship is a stronger predictor of whether someone is vaccinated than any demographic factor measured.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

i don’t distinguish between republicans and democrats. but you and wdmso do.

Maybe you should because the distinction is Huge ., and the reasons Republicans refuse the vaccine the masks and any other suggestion to combat Covid

Is based 99.99 % on misinformation and political bias spewed by Republicans and conservatives themselves ..

Yes their are other groups who also choose or have smaller overall vaccine rates but the Truth is

analysis finds that Republicans and Republican leaning independents, who represent 41% of adults, now make up 60% of the adult unvaccinated population across the country and that political partisanship is a stronger predictor of whether someone is vaccinated than any demographic factor measured.
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i see.


so democrats won’t call
out unvaccinated blacks because unlike unvaccinated republicans, the blacks don’t know
any better?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i see.


so democrats won’t call
out unvaccinated blacks because unlike unvaccinated republicans, the blacks don’t know
any better?
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Actually black leaders are encouraging blacks to get vaccinated, not sure why right wing media is not.
But the effect is showing

Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Actually black leaders are encouraging blacks to get vaccinated, not sure why right wing media is not.

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which right wing media members are unvaccinated and encouraging others to not get vaccinated?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

which right wing media members are unvaccinated and encouraging others to not get vaccinated?

he conveniently left out that Kamala Harris said she’d refuse to take any vaccine that trump suggested americans take.

she gets a complete and total
free pass, for telling those who listen to her ( for whatever godforsaken reason) not to get vaccinated. Subsequently, blacks have very low vaccine rates.

instead of blaming that on an influential black person who spoke against vaccines, Pete blames republicans.

Shocker!
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i see.


so democrats won’t call
out unvaccinated blacks because unlike unvaccinated republicans, the blacks don’t know
any better?
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Blacks 13% of the population whites 76%

I know it’s the same thing.in your brain

Ps not all blacks are liberals nor are whites and not all liberal are pro vaccines and not all Republicans are anti vaccine

But these studies are clear Republicans are unvaccinated based mainly misinformation

Inside the growing alliance between anti-vaccine activists and pro-Trump Republicans

Bigtree has been banned from social media platforms like YouTube for making false claims about the dangers of COVID vaccines. But as the pandemic has dragged on, his conservative audience keeps growing. Often he speaks at conferences alongside people who claim the election was rigged, and promoters of QAnon conspiracy theories.
So I suggest again Jim you focus on the Truth if you throw a rock into a group of the unvaccinated or anti Abortion you have the highest statistical likelihood to hit a Republican . Not a Black person or some one with PHD .. and if you did hit some one in the other group even they would more likely be Republicans

Just give up the evidence is overwhelming

Nearly 40% of Republicans are still hesitant about getting the Covid-19 vaccine or refuse to get it,

There is good news the trend to get vaccinated has shifted a bit

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...ne-poll-finds/
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[scottw]

I hope we get a variant that only attacks the vaccinated...that will be hysterical...actually, every case I've heard of Omicron so far has been in fully vaccinated people...so maybe???

get your Christmas shopping done!

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Bigtree has been banned from social media platforms like YouTube for making false claims

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this is devastating....who is bigtree?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Blacks 13% of the population whites 76%



Ps not all blacks are liberals nor are whites and not all liberal are pro vaccines and not all Republicans are anti vaccine

But these studies are clear Republicans are unvaccinated based mainly misinformation

Inside the growing alliance between anti-vaccine activists and pro-Trump Republicans

Bigtree has been banned from social media platforms like YouTube for making false claims about the dangers of COVID vaccines. But as the pandemic has dragged on, his conservative audience keeps growing. Often he speaks at conferences alongside people who claim the election was rigged, and promoters of QAnon conspiracy theories.
So I suggest again Jim you focus on the Truth if you throw a rock into a group of the unvaccinated or anti Abortion you have the highest statistical likelihood to hit a Republican . Not a Black person or some one with PHD .. and if you did hit some one in the other group even they would more likely be Republicans

Just give up the evidence is overwhelming

Nearly 40% of Republicans are still hesitant about getting the Covid-19 vaccine or refuse to get it,

There is good news the trend to get vaccinated has shifted a bit

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...ne-poll-finds/
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"I know it’s the same thing.in your brain"

I didn't say there are more blacks than whites. I said blacks have low vaccination rates. In fact, they have the lowest vaccination rates of any race in the US.

Why is that? Maybe they are listening to what Kamala Harris said.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/...SAAEgIONfD_BwE

"Republicans are unvaccinated based mainly misinformation "

OK. Since you seem to know why different groups are unvaccinated, please explain why blacks are unvaccinated? You can't blame Trump, because he's telling people to get vaccinated.

You insult unvaccinated Republicans for being misinformed. Fine. Tell us why blacks are also rejecting the vaccine?

Unless there's a reason (political, perhaps?) that you are too scared to address that point.

"Bigtree has been banned from social media platforms"

I have never heard of Bigtree. Not exactly as influential as Rush Limbaugh.

"and if you did hit some one in the other group even they would more likely be Republicans "

You're saying unvaccinated blacks are Republicans? Look at the data I posted. As of December 2, only 36% of blacks were fully vaccinated. Therefore, 64% of blacks have not been vaccinated. You think that many blacks are Republican? Is that what you are saying?

Please post SOME DATA, ANY DATA, to support your theory that unvaccinated blacks are mostly Republicans. I would really, really enjoy seeing that data.

Bigtree. I love it. Bigtree speaks for the entire GOP.

[wdmso]

Jim Jordan says 'real America is done with Covid.'
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[wdmso]

unvaccinated blacks are mostly Republicans ? Why are you making things up again

Just accept it Republicans way way more likely then any other demographic to be unvaccinated and you can thank the GOP and conservatives and BIGTREE conservatives love him and his anti vax stance ..

Jim Jordan says 'real America is done with Covid.' Who’s he speaking For ? Americans nope the GOPQ that’s who

Please Jim keep selling your needle in a haystack stories as actual trends like your Harris’s comment completely out of context …
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[scottw]

SEAN HANNITY: And it absolutely makes sense for many Americans to get vaccinated. I believe in science. I believe in the science of vaccination.
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[scottw]

Ooops. Not that guy🤣🤣🤣
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[scottw]

aug 4

Sean Hannity, one of the highest-profile Fox News hosts, told his audience he believes “in the science of vaccination.” Steve Doocy, co-host of the right-leaning Fox & Friends morning show, told viewers the shot “will save your life.” And Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who’s running for governor of Arkansas after a stint as a Fox News contributor and White House press secretary under former President Donald Trump, penned an op-ed last week encouraging people to consider getting the “Trump vaccine.”
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

aug 4

Sean Hannity, one of the highest-profile Fox News hosts, told his audience he believes “in the science of vaccination.” Steve Doocy, co-host of the right-leaning Fox & Friends morning show, told viewers the shot “will save your life.” And Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who’s running for governor of Arkansas after a stint as a Fox News contributor and White House press secretary under former President Donald Trump, penned an op-ed last week encouraging people to consider getting the “Trump vaccine.”
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August 4th really you stuck in time? No TV in your house, maybe a go fund me to help?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

August 4th really you stuck in time? No TV in your house, maybe a go fund me to help?

Please name someone who is saying don’t get vaccinated
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

August 4th really you stuck in time? No TV in your house, maybe a go fund me to help?

he keeps asking you for names for republicans “at the top” who are saying not to get vaccinated.
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[Jim in CT]

Trump: “it’s a great vaccine, and it’s safe, and it’s something that works.”
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[Jim in CT]

GS it would make sense to
assume unvaccinated republicans are listening to a republican who opposes the vaccine.

Seems identically sensible to assume
blacks are doing the same, listening to an influential black who is saying don’t get vaccinated.

but i don’t see anyone if much influence telling people not to get vaccinated. i can’t help but notice that despite your insistence, yiu don’t seem
to be aware of
any either.

it doesn’t make any sense to not get vaccinated. i have no idea what people
Are thinking.
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[Got Stripers]

On that we can agree, get vaccinated or be stupid, freedom of choice.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

On that we can agree, get vaccinated or be stupid, freedom of choice.

agreed. it’s beyond stupid. good night.
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[scottw]

all that bluster..he still didn't name anyone...

amazing how many republican trump supporters in those trump counties in europe influenced by anti-vaxx celebrities on FOX are protesting the mandates there

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ls-2021-12-05/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

all that bluster..he still didn't name anyone...

amazing how many republican trump supporters in those trump counties in europe influenced by anti-vaxx celebrities on FOX are protesting the mandates there

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ls-2021-12-05/

there isn’t anyone of real influence on the right telling people
not to get vaccinated. there just isn’t.

but there are still a lot of unvaccinated republicans. Too many.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

but there are still a lot of unvaccinated people...

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fixed it...

hey...virtually nobody left to vaccinate in Portugal a couple of months ago...the vaccination pride of the world....

is now reimposing restrictions due to a new surge

In Portugal, There Is Virtually No One Left to Vaccinate
https://www.nytimes.com › World › Europe
Oct 1, 2021 — Portugal is among the most highly vaccinated countries in the world. Vice Adm. Henrique Gouveia e Melo, who led the campaign, said there was a .....

Portugal reimposes rules as COVID-19 cases rise | Reutershttps://www.reuters.com › world › europe › portugal-reim...
Nov 25, 2021 — LISBON, Nov 25 (Reuters) - Portugal, which has one of the world's highest rates of vaccination against COVID-19, announced it would reimpose...