Anatomy of a viral lie

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Scared little bunny🙄
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The only thing scaring me is this crappy weather keeping me off the golf course, don’t want to lose this mid 70’s roll I’m on lately, want to lock it in for the better weather.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

In the middle of a global pandemic, our “leader” spends twenty minutes of his press conference complaining about the money the Trump family has lost running for president, thank you Donald for making my case on the pathetic messaging.

Apparently, you didn't actually hear the press briefing. It wasn't in the middle of the briefing, it was toward the end of it, and it wasn't 20 minutes as you state, more like 5 or 6. And it was in response to a pointed, bit nasty, question (considering the collapse of the stock market) if he was profiting from stocks. He calmly explained that, no he did not make money off of stocks, he isn't invested in stocks. And contrary to your notion that he complained about how much money he lost running for President and even more while being President, he said he was very happy he did it. Essentially, and contrary to your narrative that it is all selfishly about him, it was worth being able to serve the country and to help it and the American people.

The whole press conference (about an hour and a half) was well "messaged" with a temperate tone, authoritative commentary with details of the administration plans, and with the proper amount of caution and understanding that it is a crisis, but without the gloom and doom, and with the confidence that we will, together, win the war with this virus, and the economy will come back strong due to a pent up demand.

I don't know how that makes your case. Actually, your whole characterization of him (his "messaging," and this press briefing in particular) seems to be way off--as if your listening to voices in your anti-Trump head (I know you said that you're not merely regurgitating media and political narrative but are thinking for yourself).

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Apparently, you didn't actually hear the press briefing. It wasn't in the middle of the briefing, it was toward the end of it, and it wasn't 20 minutes as you state, more like 5 or 6. And it was in response to a pointed, bit nasty, question (considering the collapse of the stock market) if he was profiting from stocks. He calmly explained that, no he did not make money off of stocks, he isn't invested in stocks. And contrary to your notion that he complained about how much money he lost running for President and even more while being President, he said he was very happy he did it. Essentially, and contrary to your narrative that it is all selfishly about him, it was worth being able to serve the country and to help it and the American people.

The whole press conference (about an hour and a half) was well "messaged" with a temperate tone, authoritative commentary with details of the administration plans, and with the proper amount of caution and understanding that it is a crisis, but without the gloom and doom, and with the confidence that we will, together, win the war with this virus, and the economy will come back strong due to a pent up demand.

I don't know how that makes your case. Actually, your whole characterization of him (his "messaging," and this press briefing in particular) seems to be way off--as if your listening to voices in your anti-Trump head (I know you said that you're not merely regurgitating media and political narrative but are thinking for yourself).

Predictable defense and once off script, Trump ALWAYS shows his true colors and the nasty is standing behind the podium. The script this time around was to repair the damages from the pathetic (king of nasty) Friday news conference. I said it before, I understand strong diehard Trump supports hear what they want to hear, so I expect the defense will be as it has been throughout his term. Consider also that it has only been recently that his scripted news conferences have actually reflected something closer to reality. Look at the comments (off script and real Trump) from the beginning highlighted in the graph I posted, only the stark reality and likely the pleading of the science experts finally got him to admit this is serious.

[Pete F.]

Fauci’s going to get fired. He’s been way too honest in interviews this weekend.
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[Got Stripers]

Wouldn’t surprise me this administration aka swamp, is where good people visit only briefly before they either decide to move on or are thankful they are asked to leave.

[wdmso]

Notice all the Senate Republicans who now are self quarantined and wont have to vote on the Senate Bill?


And a side note notice how Tump has turned his virus update into a mini rallies attacking the media , Mitt Romney and others

[PaulS]

He laughed at Romney self isolation - what a vile person.

[scottw]

try to be team players....this will all end at some point...don't be the people that bitched and moaned the entire time, it's no help to anyone....carry on

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

try to be team players....this will all end at some point...don't be the people that bitched and moaned the entire time, it's no help to anyone....carry on

oh the sweet irony.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

oh the sweet irony.

if it made you smile then I am happy...

[Sea Dangles]

Who is snarky now?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Any chief executive (never mind the Pres. of the US) should be able to turn any question around and come up with a positive response.

Trump has done that many times. He did that in the Sunday 1 and a half hour Press briefing.

Unfortunately, Pres Trump can't hold his temper and responds like a little child and resorts to insults.

I haven't watched or heard or read all of Trump's responses. Have you? Other than headlines and picked comments by Trump naysayers? In most that I have, he was not actually angry very often. I realize, by the way you characterize members on this site as being angry when they are not, that you would probably perceive him as angry if that's what you wanted. Nor did I observe him acting like a child. Again, you loosely call folks here childish when they're not, so I can see how, by your definition, whatever that may be, you would think Trump is. He does, pretty effectively, insult those who insult him. To me, he appears to be quite nice and respectable to those who treat him likewise, and to those he is trying to make a deal with.

Can't even craft a response to "what do you tell the people who are afraid". A question that Bush and Obama answered dozens of times.

In Sunday's presser he tried to calm fears,(as he did in others and was criticized for not telling the truth). Is this some kind of litmus question that determines qualification for being President?

I don't want a Pres. where we have to expect the experts on his team to clarify his remarks or make corrections. If he doesn't know the answers any good manager would turn to the expert and say "can you address that question" instead of saying something that is incorrect.

He has done that many times in Press briefs, as he did, very effectively in the long Sunday presser. I don't expect him to be correct every time. That's unrealistic. Biden, who appears to be the Dem candidate, is wrong or misspoken, a whole lot. Bush and Obama who you mentioned above, were criticized often for being wrong or misspoken--even lying.

[PaulS]

C&P from an earlier post

an. 22: “It’s going to be just fine. We have it totally under control.”

Jan. 24 (tweet):China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment

Feb. 7 (tweet):Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but.......he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”

Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”

Feb. 24 (tweet): The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

Feb 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it & the people that have it are getting better. Theyre all getting better. As far as what we’re doing with the new virus I think that we’re doing a great job”

Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."

Feb. 28: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb. 28: “This is their new hoax.”

March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”

March 9 (tweet): The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

March 9 (tweet): “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

March 10: “And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

March 11: “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”

March 12: “It’s going to go away. The US, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world.”

March 17: “I’ve always known this is a, this is a real, this is a pandemic … I’ve felt that it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

C&P from an earlier post

an. 22: “It’s going to be just fine. We have it totally under control.”

Jan. 24 (tweet):China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment

Feb. 7 (tweet):Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but.......he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”

Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”

Feb. 24 (tweet): The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

Feb 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it & the people that have it are getting better. Theyre all getting better. As far as what we’re doing with the new virus I think that we’re doing a great job”

Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."

Feb. 28: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb. 28: “This is their new hoax.”

March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”

March 9 (tweet): The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

March 9 (tweet): “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

March 10: “And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

March 11: “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”

March 12: “It’s going to go away. The US, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world.”

March 17: “I’ve always known this is a, this is a real, this is a pandemic … I’ve felt that it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

He didn't downplay that the Coronavirus is serious. It appeared, at the times of the comments, that it was being controlled. Certainly, he was putting together an expert team to control it, which would signal that he took it seriously. He, as we all know, can loosely throw in words like "totally." Those are all selected sentences out of broader statements. Give us the full context of each to get the fuller picture.

If he actually thought that it was not serious, he would have done nothing. He started doing early, and expanded the doing along the way. Not sure what else he was supposed to do. Nor do I understand why it was supposed to be his sole responsibility. That notion is for lemmings, and the herd rushing to jump off the mountain into the abyss will follow.

[Pete F.]

A month ago, how's it going now?
The number that explains it is 41,254.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
· Feb 24
The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A month ago, how's it going now?
The number that explains it is 41,254.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
· Feb 24
The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

Apparently, our administration experts, Fauci, et al, as well as all relevant countries, CDC, World Health, didn't work hard or smart enough. So many, most, wars, start out bad until they get good--the so-called learning curve. The opposing bench sitters always criticize as if the solution should have been known and implemented on day one. Often, the doomers constant criticism without solutions exacerbates the problem.

Adaptability is the mark of a good leader. Trump team has adapted.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Apparently, our administration experts, Fauci, et al, as well as all relevant countries, CDC, World Health, didn't work hard or smart enough. So many, most, wars, start out bad until they get good--the so-called learning curve. The opposing bench sitters always criticize as if the solution should have been known and implemented on day one. Often, the doomers constant criticism without solutions exacerbates the problem.

Adaptability is the mark of a good leader. Trump team has adapted.

They are adapting.............

The White House is launching a communications plan across multiple federal agencies that focuses on accusing Beijing of orchestrating a "cover-up" and creating a global pandemic.

There’s plenty to criticize China for: They delayed, lied, censored, and tried to cover up.

The problem is the Trump* admin did (and is doing) all these things too — not sure how this strategy justifies their own (in)action.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

They are adapting.............

The White House is launching a communications plan across multiple federal agencies that focuses on accusing Beijing of orchestrating a "cover-up" and creating a global pandemic.

There’s plenty to criticize China for: They delayed, lied, censored, and tried to cover up.

The problem is the Trump* admin did (and is doing) all these things too — not sure how this strategy justifies their own (in)action.

Usually, anti-Trumpers want him to somehow create policies that fight against disinformation from foreign countries that tries to create lack of trust in our government. China is trying to spread the idea that the virus started in the U.S. and that Trump is trying to blame China. If the White House is launching the communications plan you speak of, I would imagine the justification is to squelch the Chinese disinformation and pointing out that it was, indeed, originally a "Chinese" virus, not American, and the Chinese did, indeed, try to cover it up. And that cover up was critical in creating the pandemic. Had we and the world known immediately about the Wuhan crisis, much more could have been done to prevent a pandemic.

Trump administration acted much quicker than you imply. Of course, surprise surprise, not to your satisfaction.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Usually, anti-Trumpers want him to somehow create policies that fight against disinformation from foreign countries that tries to create lack of trust in our government. China is trying to spread the idea that the virus started in the U.S. and that Trump is trying to blame China. If the White House is launching the communications plan you speak of, I would imagine the justification is to squelch the Chinese disinformation and pointing out that it was, indeed, originally a "Chinese" virus, not American, and the Chinese did, indeed, try to cover it up. And that cover up was critical in creating the pandemic. Had we and the world known immediately about the Wuhan crisis, much more could have been done to prevent a pandemic.

Trump administration acted much quicker than you imply. Of course, surprise surprise, not to your satisfaction.

Trump* didn’t cause this, he squandered our only advantage, time to prepare.

Odd that South Korea achieved such different results with first case on same day and a population density 13x USA.

USA 41656
SK 8961

Apparently they had secret information or perhaps they acted swiftly and logically.

Don’t worry there’s another Trump* rally this afternoon
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump* didn’t cause this, he squandered our only advantage, time to prepare.

Odd that South Korea achieved such different results with first case on same day and a population density 13x USA.

USA 41656
SK 8961

Apparently they had secret information or perhaps they acted swiftly and logically.

Don’t worry there’s another Trump* rally this afternoon

I didn't say Trump started it, I was responding to you questioning the justification of the White House communications plan.

I don't know the SK total situation. Perhaps its more uniform political allegiances and its ability to respond with less friction in such a case than ours, which is geared more for opposition rather than agreement and cooperation, may have helped. The ethnic, racial, cultural, and social homogeneity as well as the political structure which probably doesn't have the voluminous regulatory burden, as well as a much smaller land mass with population packed within its smaller space, no doubt creates a mix that can more swiftly mobilize a regime of treatment.

You might also consider it "odd" that Italy and Iran which also have much smaller land masses with denser population than we, are doing horribly worse. It is posited that the main reason is the huge number of Chinese located in them who travel back and forth to China as a result of their participating in China's Belt and Road Initiative. They did not have a Chinese travel ban.

And, in spite of your characterization of Trump making devastating decisions, he administers a program created by his expert advisers. He did not draw up the plans all on his stable genius lonesome.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I didn't say Trump started it, I was responding to you questioning the justification of the White House communications plan.

I don't know the SK total situation. Perhaps its more uniform political allegiances and its ability to respond with less friction in such a case than ours, which is geared more for opposition rather than agreement and cooperation, may have helped. The ethnic, racial, cultural, and social homogeneity as well as the political structure which probably doesn't have the voluminous regulatory burden, as well as a much smaller land mass with population packed within its smaller space, no doubt creates a mix that can more swiftly mobilize a regime of treatment.

You might also consider it "odd" that Italy and Iran which also have much smaller land masses with denser population than we, are doing horribly worse. It is posited that the main reason is the huge number of Chinese located in them who travel back and forth to China as a result of their participating in China's Belt and Road Initiative. They did not have a Chinese travel ban.

And, in spite of your characterization of Trump making devastating decisions, he administers a program created by his expert advisers. He did not draw up the plans all on his stable genius lonesome.

Leaders make choices, choose the path, point the way and enable others to excel.
Calling it fake, a hoax and a plot to remove him is just part of his narcissistic psychopath personality.
Hopefully you watched his rally and cheered.
Noticed they moved it to be at the evening news slot.
He said it will be done shortly and it will for some.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Leaders make choices, choose the path, point the way and enable others to excel.

Ah so, sensei. Must put grandiose wisdom in fortune cookie.

Calling it fake, a hoax and a plot to remove him is just part of his narcissistic psychopath personality.

Sifu now amaze us with brilliant mastery of amateur psychoanalysis.

Hopefully you watched his rally and cheered.

No. So sorry, master. I follow only path you choose and point way.

Noticed they moved it to be at the evening news slot.
He said it will be done shortly and it will for some.
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Unlike followers of false guru, I will be able to excel by your teaching how to see through a glass darkly.

[Slipknot]

Pete, read it, it might clear some biased opinions up but we all know your mind is already made up, as Jim says, Orange man bad. I should not have looked in this forum, my fault. Once a month is too much I guess


Nolte: All the Establishment Media’s Dangerous Coronavirus Lies


https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...&utm_content=B

[Pete F.]

I read it.

Feel free to keep believing.

South Korea and USA had first case on the same day.
Now SK 8961
USA 45,346
Progression doesn't care about your total population, it can only be stopped by a concerted effort.
It did not happen here.
South Korea was able to pull-off one of the lowest death rates without a lockdown, because of what? MASS TESTING!!!! Testing leads to early detection which is the key to effective treatment.

And yes, the President is responsible for his administration's actions and lack thereof.

While we are at it, now we are planning to give the guy who bankrupted a casino, whose partners wouldn't let get his hands on the cash and no banker would loan money to control of half a Trillion dollars.

Soon we will find out how many people Trump* is willing to kill for the DOW because it sure sounds like Trump* and Pence aren't planning for their social distancing plan to extend beyond 15 days.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I read it.

Feel free to keep believing.

South Korea and USA had first case on the same day.
Now SK 8961
USA 45,346
Progression doesn't care about your total population, it can only be stopped by a concerted effort.
It did not happen here.
South Korea was able to pull-off one of the lowest death rates without a lockdown, because of what? MASS TESTING!!!!

Pete....updated March 24 using worldometers

SK has 9,037 cases and 120 deaths 1.32%
US has 48,168 cases and 582 deaths 1.204%

if you claim that SK had tested "massively" more .....then those case numbers should pretty accurate and if you claim that we have thousands of cases running around yet untested our % should be an even lower number...

try to make sense , I know it's difficult in these challenging times

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

Pete....updated March 24 using worldometers

SK has 9,037 cases and 120 deaths 1.32%
US has 48,168 cases and 582 deaths 1.204%

if you claim that SK had tested "massively" more .....then those case numbers should pretty accurate and if you claim that we have thousands of cases running around yet untested our % should be an even lower number...

try to make sense , I know it's difficult in these challenging times

How does that possibly make sense?
With dates roughly the same:
South Korea has tested 6109 people per million out of about 52 million.
USA has tested 339 per million out of 327 million.

Death rates are only reasonably certain as historical records, not determinable until you can determine how many people actually had the disease.
Start with one case, and there is no reason to believe that when it was discovered there was only one case. Take a guess from there as to how many people are infected in the US.
Currently the Ro is not determined for the US, it is dependent on a number of factors, duration, opportunity, probability and subseptibility.

[scottw]

use your thinker pete

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by scottw

use your thinker pete

His shoes are now off so he can count higher🤡
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I read it.

Feel free to keep believing.

South Korea and USA had first case on the same day.
Now SK 8961
USA 45,346
Progression doesn't care about your total population, it can only be stopped by a concerted effort.
It did not happen here.
South Korea was able to pull-off one of the lowest death rates without a lockdown, because of what? MASS TESTING!!!! Testing leads to early detection which is the key to effective treatment.

And yes, the President is responsible for his administration's actions and lack thereof.

While we are at it, now we are planning to give the guy who bankrupted a casino, whose partners wouldn't let get his hands on the cash and no banker would loan money to control of half a Trillion dollars.

Soon we will find out how many people Trump* is willing to kill for the DOW because it sure sounds like Trump* and Pence aren't planning for their social distancing plan to extend beyond 15 days.

I didn't say I believe it,(afterall, it is on the internet)but in my opinion the people making decisions are giving us all a better chance than if Clinton was behind the desk sipping a glass of wine. I'm trying to be positive and keep myself away from others. The situation is fluid and will get under control eventually, life has to go on and we can't bankrupt the world. Monday morning quarterbacking is not helping that I know of.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

...than if Clinton was behind the desk sipping a glass of wine.

WTF does this even mean???