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06-15-2020, 07:45 AM
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There should be no Confederate Statues in Washington DC. But when do they come for Washington and Jefferson?
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That didn't take long. Portland Washington
Of course Columbus, all over, but that was a given
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06-15-2020, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
That didn't take long. Portland Washington
Of course Columbus, all over, but that was a given
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when they run out of statues...are they going to head for the museums and libraries? because there is probably a lot of stuff in those places that they can be offended by |
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06-15-2020, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
That didn't take long. Portland Washington
Of course Columbus, all over, but that was a given
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This has got Antifa’s fingerprints all over it.
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06-15-2020, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
That didn't take long. Portland Washington
Of course Columbus, all over, but that was a given
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Up next, Abraham Lincoln..... 
https://www.wcvb.com/article/boston-...moval/32860548
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06-15-2020, 11:16 AM
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Well, to be fair the issue here isn't about Lincoln but rather the depiction of the slave. |
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06-15-2020, 12:31 PM
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Well, to be fair the issue here isn't about Lincoln but rather the depiction of the slave.
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Well, to be fair, technically he isn't a slave, he's a free man.......your privilege is showing again.
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06-15-2020, 02:21 PM
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Well, to be fair, technically he isn't a slave, he's a free man.......your privilege is showing again.
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He’s in shackles, you’re off by a moment.
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06-15-2020, 02:28 PM
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He’s in shackles, you’re off by a moment.
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The chains are broken, he's been set free.
His head is held up and he his looking forward. Some great symbolism in this piece.
Stop always trying to keep a Brother down
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06-15-2020, 04:37 PM
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Maybe the Mayan Calendar is finally right because we surely never invent Time Travel.
If we did invent it, Time Traveling Social Justice Warriors would zip back from the Furry Republic and tell us how bad we are.
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06-15-2020, 04:45 PM
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He’s in shackles, you’re off by a moment.
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Mr T would be proud of you.
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06-15-2020, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Well, to be fair the issue here isn't about Lincoln but rather the depiction of the slave.
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Probably better not to have any public art works. All art is subject to, and usually crafted with, "interpretation." Especially art depicting history. Can't think of any such art that wouldn't offend somebody.
Take it all down. And don't replace it with some new art that reflects the current ideological "consensus" on what is a socially just view of history. It will surely be offensive to someone in the future (and probably to someone now). |
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06-15-2020, 12:58 PM
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A historian on statues
Statues are not about remembrance, they are about commemoration; not teaching, but moralizing.
We have large, publicly funded history teaching tools. They're called museums (and also to an extent, battlefield parks).
But statues are not teaching tools. No history is lost when a statue comes down.
The question is, what values does this statue express?
So if you are thinking, "should this statue be here?" The question you want to ask is not "what history is it connected to?" but "what values does it express right now ?" Not who does it glorify, but WHY does it glorify them?
And for the person saying,"well, maybe it was because they were good soldiers" answer this: where are James Longstreet's statues? Why is there one confederate general left out of all of this soldierly commemoration?
Why? Because after the war, he supported reconstruction.
It was never about generalship or leadership, these statues were always about hate and Longstreet didn't hate quite enough for the hateful people who put these statues up.
That's the value they communicate. Hate.
So when evaluating a statue, ask yourself, "What values was this statue created to communicate? Are they good values? Are they values I believe in?"
And if the answer is "no" - remove that statue and replace it with one that does represent our values.
And if you don't think the Confederacy was about slavery and race, you have not read the Declarations of Causes of Seceding States.
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