Promises made.......

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It’s not a lie but it’s nothing as amazing as you and the rest of the Trumplicans have claimed to have a continuation of what happened to a far greater extent over the previous 6 years when Trump continually claimed the numbers were fake.
Funny that now they are not only real but worthy of braggadocio.
Pretty soon we’ll be in the Trump economy, but I’m sure any failures will be others fault.
I’ll just sit and watch you, while doing my Mike Pence imitation.
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ten seconds ago you said it was a lie. it’s mathematical fact. you just hate it. tough cookies.

and obamas killing of bi. laden was a continuation of many policies that bush put in place. but i give obama much credit. try it, try being rational and fair. you won’t die.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ten seconds ago you said it was a lie. it’s mathematical fact. you just hate it. tough cookies.

and obamas killing of bi. laden was a continuation of many policies that bush put in place. but i give obama much credit. try it, try being rational and fair. you won’t die.
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Keep believing
The spin is BS, at best an exaggeration
Remember Trump said the numbers are fake, unemployment is actually much higher.
Remember all the Democrats sat and therefore Republicans like minoritys more or should be liked more by minoritys
Meanwhile Trump alienates all but his base at best, 40% of the electorate
Keep thinking Individual #1 has your best interests at heart.

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[Pete F.]

Trump will destroy himself and the Trumplicans along with him.
Unfortunately they will take the Republican Party down with them
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump will destroy himself and the Trumplicans along with him.
Unfortunately they will take the Republican Party down with them
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The re-incarnation of Nostradamus speaks!! The Trumplicans will all be destroyed!! Sounds like a biblical prophecy.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump will destroy himself and the Trumplicans along with him.
Unfortunately they will take the Republican Party down with them
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So far, the numbers are crystal clear, Trump hasn't done anywhere near as much damage to the GOP, as Obama did to the democrats, in his first two years. No comparison in terms of seats lost, not even close. When Obama left, the democrats held fewer federal and state offices, than at any time in decades. Obama pulverized the democrats all across the map, I wonder sometimes if he was a Republican plant

The collapse you are desperate for, may happen over time. Trump is very offensive and polarizing. But the collapse you clearly yearn for, hasn't happened after two years.

If Trump runs again in 2020, the dems may have a really good night. But it's always temporary, neither side holds power unilaterally for long. After the 2008 election, Obama was in the white house, and the democrats controlled the house, and had a filibuster proof majority on the senate. Politically speaking, it was the low point of my life. It lasted a very short while.

The two parties are having trouble nominating moderates with broad appeal.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump will destroy himself and the Trumplicans along with him.
Unfortunately they will take the Republican Party down with them
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Are all Republicans Trumplicans in your eyes? Do you know how many people didn't vote for him in the primary? A lot.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Are all Republicans Trumplicans in your eyes? Do you know how many people didn't vote for him in the primary? A lot.

Not I
Nor a large number of people I know
But Trumplicans continue to support him
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Not I
Nor a large number of people I know
But Trumplicans continue to support him
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They say he's a good guy? Or that he's a good president?

I would never, ever have voted for him in the primary - never. But I voted for him in the general. I think he's a disgusting human being, who is doing a good job as president. Does that make me a Trumplican? I said the same exact thing about Bill Clinton. Does that make me a diehard liberal, as well as a Trumplican?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

They say he's a good guy? Or that he's a good president?

I would never, ever have voted for him in the primary - never. But I voted for him in the general. I think he's a disgusting human being, who is doing a good job as president. Does that make me a Trumplican? I said the same exact thing about Bill Clinton. Does that make me a diehard liberal, as well as a Trumplican?

Jim, I think by "Trumplican" Pete means someone who supports Trump. So, if you support Trump, even just as a good President, you're what he calls a Trumplican.

If he means something other than that, something sarcastic and belittling, that would be trespassing his own distaste for name calling. You know . . . like being a hypocrite.

[Nebe]

Not to be confused with a Trumplethinskin. That’s like a snowflake ... but you know... hates a lot of things and has lots of guns. Probably has a 10th grade education but thinks he knows everything.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Not to be confused with a Trumplethinskin. That’s like a snowflake ... but you know... hates a lot of things and has lots of guns. Probably has a 10th grade education but thinks he knows everything.
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Pretty sure you don't understand the term snowflake. When your side hasn't gotten their way, they formed Occupy Wall Street, Antifa, and Black Lives Matter. What's the republican equivalent of this? The Tea Party?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pretty sure you don't understand the term snowflake. When your side hasn't gotten their way, they formed Occupy Wall Street, Antifa, and Black Lives Matter. What's the republican equivalent of this? The Tea Party?

Jim, those are all far from mainstream groups that the right has tried to stain anyone in the center or center left with.
You need look no further than the White House at Stephen Miller for a far to the right of center powerful republican operative.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Jim, those are all far from mainstream groups that the right has tried to stain anyone in the center or center left with.
You need look no further than the White House at Stephen Miller for a far to the right of center powerful republican operative.

"are all far from mainstream groups"

I wouldn't call them mainstream either, but not a million miles from mainstream, and almost no one on the left holds these people accountable for their actions. Because winning is what matters, not how you win.

"You need look no further than the White House at Stephen Miller for a far to the right of center powerful republican operative"

You say so. How powerful is he? I've never heard of him...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"are all far from mainstream groups"

I wouldn't call them mainstream either, but not a million miles from mainstream, and almost no one on the left holds these people accountable for their actions. Because winning is what matters, not how you win.

"You need look no further than the White House at Stephen Miller for a far to the right of center powerful republican operative"

You say so. How powerful is he? I've never heard of him...

Seriously?
Let me introduce Stephen Miller
Incidentally, if you suffer from hair loss, this is what not to do.
https://youtu.be/aLnHYFTad8I

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pretty sure you don't understand the term snowflake. When your side hasn't gotten their way, they formed Occupy Wall Street, Antifa, and Black Lives Matter. What's the republican equivalent of this? The Tea Party?

I guess I have to ask some aspect of this weekly.

Pls. show me some proof that "our side" - I guess you mean the Dems. "formed" Antifa.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I guess I have to ask some aspect of this weekly.

Pls. show me some proof that "our side" - I guess you mean the Dems. "formed" Antifa.

So which side's political agenda was ANTIFA formed to advocate? Are they fighting for low taxes and school choice? It's a liberal advocacy group, Paul.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Probably has a 10th grade education but thinks he knows everything.
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Hold on to that thought, especially when they start the whole "Give 16 year olds the right to vote" argument when they are upset at the outcome of an election.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

We traded our combatant for their combatants. That’s what happen in combat .. the goal is to kill the enemy

That seems contradictory. If the goal is to kill the enemy, why do we trade with them? Is it a trade war, or a killing war? And who's goal of killing are we enhancing when we trade 5 of their killers who will return to the field of battle for one who is not willing to kill the enemy and has deserted our field of battle?

You call them murders what do you think we are to them?
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We are murderers as well. And I presume that engaging in a war with an enemy, our intention is to murder more of them then they kill of us. To enhance the enemy's ability to kill us, and not even get reciprocity in return, is an idiotic way to prosecute a war.

And the notion that the Bergdahl trade would enhance the chance that we could come to some peace agreement was an ignorant idea given the nature of the enemy. Going against the policy of not negotiating with terrorists, there was such a ridiculous rationale in the Obama administration, and its stupidity was demonstrated by the results.

As pointed out by the Daily Caller at the time"

"In direct contradiction to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s statement that the negotiations leading to Bergdahl’s release “will [maybe] be a new opening that can produce an agreement,” Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said that “It won’t help the peace process in any way, because we don’t believe in the peace process.”
While the exchange has been hailed by the administration as an important diplomatic step, with one senior administration official saying “U.S. efforts to facilitate reconciliation with the Taliban began in November 2010, and since May 2011 the recovery of Sgt. Bergdahl has been a central element of our reconciliation efforts,” Taliban representatives have been less irenic, The Long War Journal reports.
Emir Mullah Mohammed Omar called the return of the detainees a “great victory” and a “huge and vivid triumph,” bringing “the glad tidings of liberation of the whole country [that] reassures us that our aspirations are on the verge of fulfillment.” He also thanked “the detainers and keepers of the American prisoner ‘Bergdahl'” for their “significant role in this colossal victory.”

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

We are murderers as well. And I presume that engaging in a war with an enemy, our intention is to murder more of them then they kill of us. To enhance the enemy's ability to kill us, and not even get reciprocity in return, is an idiotic way to prosecute a war.

And the notion that the Bergdahl trade would enhance the chance that we could come to some peace agreement was an ignorant idea given the nature of the enemy. Going against the policy of not negotiating with terrorists, there was such a ridiculous rationale in the Obama administration, and its stupidity was demonstrated by the results.

As pointed out by the Daily Caller at the time"

"In direct contradiction to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s statement that the negotiations leading to Bergdahl’s release “will [maybe] be a new opening that can produce an agreement,” Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said that “It won’t help the peace process in any way, because we don’t believe in the peace process.”
While the exchange has been hailed by the administration as an important diplomatic step, with one senior administration official saying “U.S. efforts to facilitate reconciliation with the Taliban began in November 2010, and since May 2011 the recovery of Sgt. Bergdahl has been a central element of our reconciliation efforts,” Taliban representatives have been less irenic, The Long War Journal reports.
Emir Mullah Mohammed Omar called the return of the detainees a “great victory” and a “huge and vivid triumph,” bringing “the glad tidings of liberation of the whole country [that] reassures us that our aspirations are on the verge of fulfillment.” He also thanked “the detainers and keepers of the American prisoner ‘Bergdahl'” for their “significant role in this colossal victory.”

White House Orders Direct Taliban Talks to Jump-Start Afghan Negotiations
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

White House Orders Direct Taliban Talks to Jump-Start Afghan Negotiations
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This has nothing to do with the Bergdahl deal. What's your point?

[PaulS]

They're apolitical and criticized the Democrats many times
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