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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

He even brought up Benghazi too.
#sad
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I brought it up, because it was suggested that leaders should resign their post, when bad things happen. I was just wondering if he applies that standard consistently, or if he's a hypocrite. I happened to pick Benghazi, I'm sorry that makes you sad. There are many things I could have pointed to, times when things went bad under a democrat, when I assure you that WDMSO did not insist that the captain go down with the ship.

Forget Benghazi...

Obama said that his trillion-dollar stimulus plan would keep unemployment below 8%, he said that under Obamacare our premiums would go down $2500 and we could keep our doctors, Obama was successfully sued by the Little Sisters Of The Poor for trampling upon their constitutional rights. Do you think WDMSO ever called on Obama to go down with the ship?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I brought it up, because it was suggested that leaders should resign their post, when bad things happen. I was just wondering if he applies that standard consistently, or if he's a hypocrite. I happened to pick Benghazi, I'm sorry that makes you sad. There are many things I could have pointed to, times when things went bad under a democrat, when I assure you that WDMSO did not insist that the captain go down with the ship.

Forget Benghazi...

Obama said that his trillion-dollar stimulus plan would keep unemployment below 8%, he said that under Obamacare our premiums would go down $2500 and we could keep our doctors, Obama was successfully sued by the Little Sisters Of The Poor for trampling upon their constitutional rights. Do you think WDMSO ever called on Obama to go down with the ship?

you do know the stimulus plan has contributed the economy doing well

I kept my doctor

Little Sisters Of The Poor for trampling upon their constitutional rights. discrimination is a right new to me ?

But you miss the down with the down with ship point ... Taking about trumps appointments and their criminal indictments ,, lack of security clearances and ambassadors.. yet again you deflect are you suggesting Obama administration was as disfunction as Trumps current administration

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you do know the stimulus plan has contributed the economy doing well

I kept my doctor

Little Sisters Of The Poor for trampling upon their constitutional rights. discrimination is a right new to me ?

But you miss the down with the down with ship point ... Taking about trumps appointments and their criminal indictments ,, lack of security clearances and ambassadors.. yet again you deflect are you suggesting Obama administration was as disfunction as Trumps current administration

"I kept my doctor "

Who gives a sh*t? He didn't only make that promise to you. Am I going too fast for you? Many people could not keep their doctor/plan.


"Little Sisters Of The Poor for trampling upon their constitutional rights. discrimination is a right new to me ?"

Who were they discriminating against? You just make stuff up? The Supreme Court ruled that they were correct, Obamacare was violating their constitutional rights. Obama tried to force them to pay for the tools for recreational sex. It's not constitutional, and you'd think someone who taught constitutional law might have picked that up somewhere.

I can't wait for you to tell me who, exactly, the Little Sisters Of The Poor are discriminating against?


"you suggesting Obama administration was as disfunction as Trumps current administration"

Nope, they were less dysfunctional. Incompetent and totalitarian, but less dysfunctional.

See? I can say something negative about my side, and positive about your side, when it's true. You might try it sometime.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you do know the stimulus plan has contributed the economy doing well

I kept my doctor

Little Sisters Of The Poor for trampling upon their constitutional rights. discrimination is a right new to me ?

But you miss the down with the down with ship point ... Taking about trumps appointments and their criminal indictments ,, lack of security clearances and ambassadors.. yet again you deflect are you suggesting Obama administration was as disfunction as Trumps current administration

"you do know the stimulus plan has contributed the economy doing well "

In what way? Where were all those shovel ready jobs we were promised? Obama promised it would keep unemployment under 8%, and it went over 10% (he was only off by a few million jobs, close enough, right?).

Here's Obama joking about what a flop the stimulus bill actually was, that there were no shovel ready jobs.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...9&action=click

Ha ha ha! It's funny that he spent almost a trillion and got nothing.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"you do know the stimulus plan has contributed the economy doing well "

In what way? Where were all those shovel ready jobs we were promised? Obama promised it would keep unemployment under 8%, and it went over 10% (he was only off by a few million jobs, close enough, right?).

Here's Obama joking about what a flop the stimulus bill actually was, that there were no shovel ready jobs.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...9&action=click

Ha ha ha! It's funny that he spent almost a trillion and got nothing.

So are you suggesting it did nothing ? what were your expectations? or are you saying Obama lied.. not sure how you can suggest the country got nothing ? from start to finish of his administration ,, every one R or D hoped for more I am sure



C&P In all, the administration rescued the US economy and bequeathed a sound foundation for its successor to build on. But it made a big mistake: it did not go all out to punish those whose malfeasance and irresponsibility blew up the financial system and economy. This sense of injustice is one reason why the US has elected the wrecking crew that is about to take office. Mr Obama could not channel rage. Mr Trump, alas, can.



thanks for sharing a link that shows a POTUS admitting things didn't go as expected .. and how a partisan person attempted to use it again out of contex . show this to Trump so he may learn how to be honest

By itself, the stimulus bill saved or created an average of 1.6 million jobs a year for four years through the end of 2012,


More than 40,000 miles of roads and more than 2,700 bridges have been upgraded, nearly 700 drinking water systems serving more than 48 million people have been brought into compliance with federal clean water standards and high-speed Internet was introduced to about 20,000 community institutions.

Half of the total fiscal support for the economy, or about $689 billion, from the recovery act and subsequent measures was in the form of tax cuts directed mostly at families. The remainder was spent on such things as rebuilding roads and bridges, preventing teacher layoffs and providing temporary help for people who lost their jobs or needed other assistance because of the poor economy.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So are you suggesting it did nothing ? what were your expectations? or are you saying Obama lied.. not sure how you can suggest the country got nothing ? from start to finish of his administration ,, every one R or D hoped for more I am sure



C&P In all, the administration rescued the US economy and bequeathed a sound foundation for its successor to build on. But it made a big mistake: it did not go all out to punish those whose malfeasance and irresponsibility blew up the financial system and economy. This sense of injustice is one reason why the US has elected the wrecking crew that is about to take office. Mr Obama could not channel rage. Mr Trump, alas, can.



thanks for sharing a link that shows a POTUS admitting things didn't go as expected .. and how a partisan person attempted to use it again out of contex . show this to Trump so he may learn how to be honest

By itself, the stimulus bill saved or created an average of 1.6 million jobs a year for four years through the end of 2012,


More than 40,000 miles of roads and more than 2,700 bridges have been upgraded, nearly 700 drinking water systems serving more than 48 million people have been brought into compliance with federal clean water standards and high-speed Internet was introduced to about 20,000 community institutions.

Half of the total fiscal support for the economy, or about $689 billion, from the recovery act and subsequent measures was in the form of tax cuts directed mostly at families. The remainder was spent on such things as rebuilding roads and bridges, preventing teacher layoffs and providing temporary help for people who lost their jobs or needed other assistance because of the poor economy.

"So are you suggesting it did nothing ?"

I am suggesting it didn't do much, despite spending 750 billion.

"what were your expectations? "

My expectations were that it wouldn't do much, so it met my expectations. It fell far short of Obama's expectations.

"are you saying Obama lied"

No, I am suggesting he was catastrophically wrong. As usual.

The economy got a lot better during his term. Not much of that was because of his stimulus bill. More was because o flow interest rates and quantitative easing. I don't know a single person who personally benefitted form that stimulus. Almost all of us, are benefitting from the tax overhaul.

"thanks for sharing a link that shows a POTUS admitting things didn't go as expected "

He was laughing. He thought it was funny that the "shovel ready jobs promise" was a false promise. It took us $750 billion to learn that he didn't know what he was talking about.

"and how a partisan person attempted to use it again out of contex"

Oh, out of context again. All criticisms of Trump are in the proper context, all criticisms are taken out of context somehow.

He said that if we spent 750b, unemployment would stay below 8%. We spent the money, and unemployment shot up over 10%.

"Half of the total fiscal support for the economy, or about $689 billion, from the recovery act and subsequent measures was in the form of tax cuts directed mostly at families"

I don't know a single family who got a tax cut as a result of the Obama stimulus, never heard anyone make that claim. I guess you took it out of context.

[wdmso]

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After Election Day, Obama ordered the U.S. intelligence community to issue a public report about the Russian scheme. Once it had — and concluded Russia's attack was aimed at helping Trump and hurting Clinton — the United States imposed a slate of punitive measures against Moscow. In addition to imposing new sanctions, Washington also expelled a number of Russian diplomats and closed two Russian diplomatic compounds in Maryland and New York.

As of today no action by the Trump administration except Trump blaming others on twitter


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Question: If all of the Russian meddling took place during the Obama Administration, right up to January 20th, why aren’t they the subject of the investigation? Why didn’t Obama do something about the meddling? Why aren’t Dem crimes under investigation? Ask Jeff Sessions!

In an exchange with a member of a Russian delegation, McMaster said "with the FBI indictment, the evidence is now incontrovertible" of Russia's cyber disruption and meddling.

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General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!

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No I don't think POTUS has done much to deter Russian interference in past or for future elections, which I thought was the subject of this thread, before it went off track as usual. Russia loves Trump, Trump loves Russia and their money and while you can't ever possibly prove it influenced the results of the election; I suspect it probably helped him more than he wants to admit.

Game show politics, at times it wants to make me throw up in my mouth. I think yesterday or the day before I saw where he ended up in the voting (can't remember the organization) of all past presidents, but if he wasn't dead last; he was close to it. I was frankly surprise at high up Bill Clinton still was, GW and old Abraham still high on the list of course. I wish Trump would get off his fixation the with past and govern; do something that will last and make a difference. The apprentice mentality and the thin skinned approach is getting old.

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Originally Posted by wdmso

In an exchange with a member of a Russian delegation, McMaster said "with the FBI indictment, the evidence is now incontrovertible" of Russia's cyber disruption and meddling.

Trump wasn't happy

And now it looks like McMaster is next on the chopping block.

I'm becoming increasingly concerned Trump is sick of people with any competency and is going to stuff the White House with yes men who will support a war so Trump can show the world how tough he is.