Rons at it again

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So parents have a right, to allow their kids to watch Tik Tok videos during class.

As I said, let's present this honestly to parents, and see if they like it or not. Before cell phones, parents had an easy way to get ahold of kids at school if they needed to. If its an emergency, call the school, they contact the kid in 2 seconds. That worked for decades and decades. Now all of a sudden it's not a practical option? Why is that?

If Obama proposed this, you'd all be getting a tingle in your leg. That's all this is. Desantis is a serious challenge in 2024 or 2028, and you hate him for that, to the point of being deranged.

I'm a parent, a tax payer, and I bought phones for my kids. Why would I want my kids on their phones during class, when they're supposed to be learning? Why is that in my interests?

Wayne, you similarly opposed his idea of using tax dollars to lure more police to his state, but you like the idea of using tax dollars to help your family pay off loans that you agreed to take out and you agreed to repay. Explain that logic. If it's not pure partisan derangement, please explain how else you could arrive at those conclusions. I'm genuinely curious.

Jim stop moving the goalposts to use your line stop embarrassing yourself ... you can't yell Parents rights then claim they dont have them when it comes to phones in the classrooms ..

I agree phones should not be in class room.. but that's not really the issue is it ..

its Rons track record. and all of his edicts (all which have been driven by his desire to run in 2024) of what to teach what not to teach
who can say something and who can't . what moral and what isn't who can vote who can't.. maybe you should look at the totality of his actions

And of course the tic toc reference those damn chinese 1st the virus now this more GOP fear mongering.. however it or any social media app shouldn't be on any state or federally issues electronic devices.. that just common sense

if you are only see Rons strokes 1 at a time . your missing the picture his painting and its title is authoritarian

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

J

I agree phones should not be in class room.. but that's not really the issue is it ..

its Rons track record. and all of his edicts (all which have been driven by his desire to run in 2024) of what to teach what not to teach
who can say something and who can't . what moral and what isn't who can vote who can't.. maybe you should look at the totality of his actions

And of course the tic toc reference those damn chinese 1st the virus now this more GOP fear mongering.. however it or any social media app shouldn't be on any state or federally issues electronic devices.. that just common sense

if you are only see Rons strokes 1 at a time . your missing the picture his painting and its title is authoritarian

"I agree phones should not be in class room.. but that's not really the issue is it .."

If you are sane, yes that's the issue.

If your goal is to paint him as an authoritarian Nazi, then you need to make it about a bigger issue.

Wayne, Republicans have many flaws, they have as many flaws as anyone else. Obviously they aren't more authoritarian than liberals. Liberals want a bigger government with more control, than conservatives want. That doesn't mean that conservatives are correct, we can reasonably disagree on whether or not more government is good or bad. But to suggest that he's a dictator, is beyond absurd.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim stop moving the goalposts to use your line stop embarrassing yourself ... you can't yell Parents rights then claim they dont have them when it comes to phones in the classrooms ..

I agree phones should not be in class room.. but that's not really the issue is it ..

its Rons track record. and all of his edicts (all which have been driven by his desire to run in 2024) of what to teach what not to teach
who can say something and who can't . what moral and what isn't who can vote who can't.. maybe you should look at the totality of his actions

And of course the tic toc reference those damn chinese 1st the virus now this more GOP fear mongering.. however it or any social media app shouldn't be on any state or federally issues electronic devices.. that just common sense

if you are only see Rons strokes 1 at a time . your missing the picture his painting and its title is authoritarian

"and all of his edicts (all which have been driven by his desire to run in 2024) of what to teach what not to teach"

Why wouldn't you conclude that's what his constituents want? Have you listened to parents who show up at school board meetings? Is Desantis ramming his personal agenda upon the state? Or is he doing what his citizens want? The latter, is called "democracy".

"of what to teach what not to teach"

Liberals do that all the time, and you never complain.

"who can say something and who can't"

See my previous response. Talk to the HS football coach who got fired for leading voluntary prayer. That's not authoritarian?

"maybe you should look at the totality of his actions "

His citizens recently did that, it's called an "election". He won in a crushing landslide. What does that tell you? You don't have to like his agenda. The fact is, a huge majority of those who live in his state, like his agenda. That is irrefutable fact.

How about the part of his agenda where he refused to follow the herd and lock his state down, but opened up when the data showed he should? Do you give him any credit for that brave leadership? His citizens love him for it. And they should.

[Pete F.]

As usual DeFascists greatest fan heard part of something on right wing media and thinks he’s found the
Here’s the rest
“It is not the phones, people. It is the arrogance of a man who wants to control everyone and everything: businesses, students, other politicians. He wants to dictate what you learn and read, how you train your employees, and much more.”

The author, Ruth Ben-Ghiat literally wrote the book on Strongmen. I recommend people read her columns and books, especially on Fascism. The book is Strongmen from Mussolini to the Present.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As usual DeFascists greatest fan heard part of something on right wing media and thinks he’s found the
Here’s the rest
“It is not the phones, people. It is the arrogance of a man who wants to control everyone and everything: businesses, students, other politicians. He wants to dictate what you learn and read, how you train your employees, and much more.”

The author, Ruth Ben-Ghiat literally wrote the book on Strongmen. I recommend people read her columns and books, especially on Fascism. The book is Strongmen from Mussolini to the Present.
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so when he says no phones in class, we should
ignore what he a actually said, and pretend as if he said something else, something way more sinister, something arrogant and authoritarian.

This explains your approach here, where you routinely ignore what was actually said, and respond to something no one ever came close to saying.

Those voices you hear….

yes, republicans ( the ones who want to give peoppe
infinitely more liberty in general) want to control everything.

With you, it’s not about what he actually says and does. It’s about your characterization of him, regardless of how inaccurate. so when he says “no phones during math class”, what you hear is “i’m going to kill everybody”. There’s a term for that condition in medial literature. It’s called schizophrenia. You display it constantly.

Parents will not object to kids not having access to phones during classroom instruction time. every school in the country should already have that rule.

Yes, liberals don’t want to exert any control over what people learn, which is why 50% of faculty are republicans, why there’s zero liberal indoctrination ever in the classroom, and why there’s never been a single case of a riot on a college campus to prevent a conservative from speaking. never. Because liberals believe in free speech and diversity of ideas. It’s a true conviction they have.

Desantis says no phone use during classroom lecture. Liberals suspended a 14 year old female high school freshman in VT, when she said she didn't like sharing the girls locker room with boys. Let each side make that case to America and see what people agree with, and what makes their skin crawl.

[Pete F.]

Teachers at Parrish Community High School in Manatee County, Florida were told this morning to "remove or cover all classroom libraries until all materials can be reviewed."

Moving forward no book can be added to a classroom library until it is:

1. Approved by a media specialist

2. Reviewed and approved by a School Advisory Council (SAC) of parents, teachers and students

3. Signed off on by the principal

You can understand how already overstretched teachers may choose simply not to maintain a classroom library that than jump through all these hoops

Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Teachers at Parrish Community High School in Manatee County, Florida were told this morning to "remove or cover all classroom libraries until all materials can be reviewed."

Moving forward no book can be added to a classroom library until it is:

1. Approved by a media specialist

2. Reviewed and approved by a School Advisory Council (SAC) of parents, teachers and students

3. Signed off on by the principal

You can understand how already overstretched teachers may choose simply not to maintain a classroom library that than jump through all these hoops

Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level.
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if teachers hadn’t abandoned their duty in so many cases and out pornography and liberal indoctrination in from of their kids, the state wouldn’t have done this

The citizens of FL made a crystal clear choice in the last election. Pete, no one expects you to like it. You could put down the insanity long enough to admit it.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Teachers at Parrish Community High School in Manatee County, Florida were told this morning to "remove or cover all classroom libraries until all materials can be reviewed."

Moving forward no book can be added to a classroom library until it is:

1. Approved by a media specialist

2. Reviewed and approved by a School Advisory Council (SAC) of parents, teachers and students

3. Signed off on by the principal

You can understand how already overstretched teachers may choose simply not to maintain a classroom library that than jump through all these hoops

Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level.
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"Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level."

Keeping pornography and DNC material out of the schools, seems like a good idea then. Let them focus on the basics.

From the attached article...

Manatee County Schools Chief of Staff Kevin Chapman told 10 Tampa Bay teachers were not directly told to shut down their classroom libraries. Many are opting to, anyway

three criteria every book must now meet:

Free of pornography and material prohibited under S. 847.012, F.S.
Suited to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material presented.
Appropriate for the grade level and age group for which the materials are used and made available.

"Chapman said he suspects most books on teachers' shelves already appear on the approved list."

Doesn't exactly sound like a good old fashioned book burning.



https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/ve...a-5203ed0feb56.

[Pete F.]

As I said
Failure to lock up all their books until they could be "vetted" by censors, teachers were warned, put them at risk of being prosecuted as felons.
I’m sure you would take the risk…

The facts of this situation are straightforward: A Florida law signed by DeSantis requires that every book available to students "must be selected by a school district employee who holds a valid educational media specialist certificate," in most cases, the school librarian. This may sound reasonable on its surface, but as the situation in Manatee County shows, in reality, it's about creating a bottleneck preventing books from getting into the hands of students. Even more importantly, it's about establishing the idea that books are inherently dangerous objects, to the degree that no student can be allowed to handle one without heavy-handed surveillance.

Moreover, even if the librarians in Florida are not themselves interested in being the reading police, they may feel they have no choice. DeSantis has made it quite clear what kinds of ideas he believes should be banned in the state of Florida. He doesn't want schools to acknowledge that LGBTQ people exist. He's banned the teaching of Black history classes on the grounds that lessons on people like Frederick Douglass or Rosa Parks, for instance, "have no educational value." He has been forcing schools to teach a lie, that racism is not the cause of racial inequality. With that level of pressure, it is no surprise that schools would simply err on the side of having few, if any, books available. If books return to the shelves, they may likely be heavily limited to those that portray the world like it's a 1950s sitcom, which pretty much guarantees they'll go unread, as such themes hold little interest to kids in 21st-century America.

When it comes to keeping kids from reading much, if at all, DeSantis' policy is a smashing success. He's established the idea that no student should ever be allowed to just grab a book and read on their own. He's stigmatized basic curiosity. Big Brother must always be watching, a reference kids probably won't get if "1984" is no longer a book readers can just pick up.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A Florida law signed by DeSantis requires that every book available to students "must be selected by a school district employee who holds a valid educational media specialist certificate," in most cases, the school librarian.
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Not true. That's only true if the book isn't on the already-approved list of approved books, and as I quoted, the county school manager said most books teachers would have in their classrooms, are already on that list and therefore do not need approval.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Not true. That's only true if the book isn't on the already-approved list of approved books, and as I quoted, the county school manager said most books teachers would have in their classrooms, are already on that list and therefore do not need approval.

Who’s list?
What’s the penalty?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Who’s list?
What’s the penalty?
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The state's list. No idea what the penalty is.

So why did you lie, and say every book has to get approved by essentially the librarian, when according to the county manager, most of the books are already approved and require no further action?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The state's list. No idea what the penalty is.

So why did you lie, and say every book has to get approved by essentially the librarian, when according to the county manager, most of the books are already approved and require no further action?

The STATE’s list, definitely not fascist.

The penalty is being charged with a felony.
Now think what would happen if some wacko, who has said many times that teachers and or their union is evil, decided to claim that their child received a “bad” book from a teacher, maybe even the person negotiating for the teacher’s contract.
Who pays the lawyers to deal with that?
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[wdmso]

if teachers hadn’t abandoned their duty in so many cases and out pornography and liberal indoctrination in from of their kids, the state wouldn’t have done this


Another one who has an ample supply of Tinfoil
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

if teachers hadn’t abandoned their duty in so many cases and out pornography and liberal indoctrination in from of their kids, the state wouldn’t have done this


Another one who has an ample supply of Tinfoil
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Well, let's see...

I have taught in a public school, you haven't.

I've shown the honesty of praising and criticizing both sides, you haven't.

So who should we believe?

[Jim in CT]

pete when i taught, it wasn’t a free for all. there were all kinds of rules, restrictions, standards that were set by my town and the state,,that i had to comply with. This is one more in a long list of rules.

there are also all kinds of union rules which dictate what happens and what doesn’t happen.

But these mandates are only bad when they come from
Death-santis.

you’re acting like this is the first time
anyone has set standards for teachers.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

pete when i taught, it wasn’t a free for all. there were all kinds of rules, restrictions, standards that were set by my town and the state,,that i had to comply with. This is one more in a long list of rules.

there are also all kinds of union rules which dictate what happens and what doesn’t happen.

But these mandates are only bad when they come from
Death-santis.

you’re acting like this is the first time
anyone has set standards for teachers.

That’s what Germans and Italians said
“It’s just a gold star”
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[wdmso]

DeSantis violated First Amendment by removing elected official, judge rules

The latest: U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle wrote in his ruling that evidence showed DeSantis punished Warren for his political leanings and that doing so violated Warren's free speech rights.

Keep thinking Ron’s who you think he is.. he’s not looking out for the country or the citizens of Florida .. just himself . He saw if Trump could get elected based on lies bluster and blaming others and the GOP hordes would cheer from the stands .. he’s saying why not me .. I can huff I can puff I’ll blow the whole White House down with all the transgender kids and drag queens and woke just like my followers want

[Jim in CT]

wayne, you left out that the judge didn’t reinstate the fired official ( a DA who said he wasn’t going to enforce duly constituted state law ) and the judge said very specifically, that the guy would have been removed even if there was no first amendment violation.

imagine, the arrogance of a governor who expects the DA to enforce the law?

how come you left out the very important part?

he’s not looking out for his state, which is why the state is in tatters and everyone is moving to CT.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wayne, you left out that the judge didn’t reinstate the fired official ( a DA who said he wasn’t going to enforce duly constituted state law ) and the judge said very specifically, that the guy would have been removed even if there was no first amendment violation.

imagine, the arrogance of a governor who expects the DA to enforce the law?

how come you left out the very important part?

he’s not looking out for his state, which is why the state is in tatters and everyone is moving to CT.

The judge could not reinstate him under the law . Like you football guy

And the judge actually said Ron would have just made another excuse to fire the guy

the DA never not enforced the law

It’s the DA responsibility to use his Judgement in all cases

No you support Ron yelling off with their heads. And if people won’t he’ll remove them.

Sorry that’s call an absence of leadership.. a concept you seem to have trouble understanding
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The judge could not reinstate him under the law . Like you football guy

And the judge actually said Ron would have just made another excuse to fire the guy

the DA never not enforced the law

It’s the DA responsibility to use his Judgement in all cases

No you support Ron yelling off with their heads. And if people won’t he’ll remove them.

Sorry that’s call an absence of leadership.. a concept you seem to have trouble understanding
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the DA announced that he wasn’t going to
enforce a new law which was duly constituted. of course they get paid to use judgment. but insisting that you’re not going to ever enforce a law you don’t happen to like, goes way beyond that.

“off with their heads”? more like, do the job you were hired to do, or find another job.

there are kits of productive careers for people
who want to be political advocates. Being a prosecutor isn’t one of them.

removing subordinates who refuse to do the job, isn’t what is call an absence of leadership. You can call it whatever you’d like.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the DA announced that he wasn’t going to
enforce a new law which was duly constituted. of course they get paid to use judgment. but insisting that you’re not going to ever enforce a law you don’t happen to like, goes way beyond that.

“off with their heads”? more like, do the job you were hired to do, or find another job.

there are kits of productive careers for people
who want to be political advocates. Being a prosecutor isn’t one of them.

removing subordinates who refuse to do the job, isn’t what is call an absence of leadership. You can call it whatever you’d like.

He was hired elected 3 times by his constituents
Just like Santos who you argue he also was elected. But should keep his job unless he did something illegal

Ron fired him for his speaking aka his 1a rights. He never refused prosecute a case because none had been brought..

You seem to miss that part.

Funny Ron he did the same thing to Disney when they spoke against him..

Ron’s a classic bully loud mouthed and thin skinned. Just like your last man crush .

But The GOP has the nerve to claim the Biden administration has weaponized the Government. Lol

Ron’s giving us a preview what’s a weaponized government looks like. And what’s going to happen if he’s in the Oval Office

Any tradition or precedent not in writing he’ll ignore , remove any
All federal DAs and Assistant DAs will be removed unless they pledge their allegiance to Ron the same will happen to the General office corps he’ll remove them for being woke.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

He was hired elected 3 times by his constituents
Just like Santos who you argue he also was elected. But should keep his job unless he did something illegal

Ron fired him for his speaking aka his 1a rights. He never refused prosecute a case because none had been brought..

You seem to miss that part.

Funny Ron he did the same thing to Disney when they spoke against him..

Ron’s a classic bully loud mouthed and thin skinned. Just like your last man crush .

But The GOP has the nerve to claim the Biden administration has weaponized the Government. Lol

Ron’s giving us a preview what’s a weaponized government looks like. And what’s going to happen if he’s in the Oval Office

Any tradition or precedent not in writing he’ll ignore , remove any
All federal DAs and Assistant DAs will be removed unless they pledge their allegiance to Ron the same will happen to the General office corps he’ll remove them for being woke.
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did he say during his election, that he was going to refuse to enforce laws which didn’t align with his personal beliefs?

ron fired him for refusing to do the job to which he was elected.

who was my last man crush? trump? the one who i described a hundred times as a morally bankrupt reptile? that’s a man crush?

zero honesty. zip. just hate and derangement. 2024 is so far off, a hundred things could happen that would
make me say desantis would be a lousy presidential candidate. as of right now, he’s an absolute rock star, and you’re all scared absolutely sh*tless of him. You have absolutely no one like him on your side. maybe gavin newsom, and i can barely say that with a straight face.

[Pete F.]

Sure Jan

The judge cited the 11th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in concluding that he could not grant Warren’s request for reinstatement.

The amendment prohibits federal officials from forcing state actors to follow state laws.

But the judge did suggest one remedy:

“If the facts matter, the governor can simply rescind the suspension,” Hinkle wrote. “If he does not do so, it will be doubly clear that the alleged non-prosecution policies were not the real motivation for the suspension.”
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[Jim in CT]

pete, the job of a DA is to enforce duly constituted laws, not to enforce your personal political agenda. This DA made a choice to go on TV and announce that he wasn’t going to enforce laws that he didn’t like.

how is it proven that the DAs promise of non prosecution isn’t the reason for the heaped ion? i’m curious?

the da said he wouldn’t prosecute, then he was suspended, and Fesantis made it clear that was the reason.

getting fired from your job for saying something is different from getting arrested for saying something. there are all kinds of things that are legal for me to say which would get me immediately fired, and that’s not a violation of my first amendment rights. When you take a job, you are agreeing to abide. up the rules of your employer. that’s how thee world
works.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

pete, the job of a DA is to enforce duly constituted laws, not to enforce your personal political agenda. This DA made a choice to go on TV and announce that he wasn’t going to enforce laws that he didn’t like.

how is it proven that the DAs promise of non prosecution isn’t the reason for the heaped ion? i’m curious?

the da said he wouldn’t prosecute, then he was suspended, and Fesantis made it clear that was the reason.

getting fired from your job for saying something is different from getting arrested for saying something. there are all kinds of things that are legal for me to say which would get me immediately fired, and that’s not a violation of my first amendment rights. When you take a job, you are agreeing to abide. up the rules of your employer. that’s how thee world
works.

He was elected
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He was elected
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to do what? to enforce the laws impartially? or to implement his personal political agenda?

the constitution of the state of FL gives the governor the authority to suspend this elected DA.

if he wanted to enact liberal laws he should have run for the state legislature. the DA has a different role.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

to do what? to enforce the laws impartially? or to implement his personal political agenda?

the constitution of the state of FL gives the governor the authority to suspend this elected DA.

if he wanted to enact liberal laws he should have run for the state legislature. the DA has a different role.

Let no one be confused: DeSantis is not a break with the MAGA anti-democratic movement. He is only a less buffoonish version of the defeated former president. And that makes him all the more dangerous.

But Jim’s been fooled once already
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[wdmso]

And of course Jim this was just another Ron campaign aid. Disguised as leadership

In a Tampa news conference, which his press secretary hyped as an event that would make the “liberal media meltdown,” DeSantis noted there is no state law banning gender-affirming treatments but included that in the executive order suspending Warren because one day the Legislature could ban them.

“The Legislature of Florida may want to come in and do something on that, you are going to say presumptively you can’t do it?” DeSantis said during the event.

His press secretary hyped as an event that would make the “liberal media meltdown,”

Yep keep thinking anything he does is for his constituents. It’s done all for Himself . This is just 1 of many examples
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And of course Jim this was just another Ron campaign aid. Disguised as leadership

In a Tampa news conference, which his press secretary hyped as an event that would make the “liberal media meltdown,” DeSantis noted there is no state law banning gender-affirming treatments but included that in the executive order suspending Warren because one day the Legislature could ban them.

“The Legislature of Florida may want to come in and do something on that, you are going to say presumptively you can’t do it?” DeSantis said during the event.

His press secretary hyped as an event that would make the “liberal media meltdown,”

Yep keep thinking anything he does is for his constituents. It’s done all for Himself . This is just 1 of many examples
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banned gender affirming treatments for who? for everyone? or for
kids?

wayne, the guy just had an election and he won in an historic rout. what do you conclude from that? how can you not conclude that his citizens like what he’s doing?

man, it’s two years away and you guys are coming unglued over him, and he hasn’t even announced he’s running, and i don’t see how he can beat trump in a primary unless it’s just the two of them.

it must be very exhausting to constantly bend, or outright deny, factual truth that isn’t convenient for you.

I get why he terrifies you. he represents the popular policies of trump, with a far, far less obnoxious personality. You can easily paint trump as a lunatic without having to look stupid doing so. Can’t do the same with desantis, at least not yet, he’s got plenty of time to screw up. Desantis clobbered , and i mean clobbered, Cuomo on handling covid, and he did so while managing not to harass all the women within ten miles of him.

That’s called “winning”.