the party that cares about blacks, threw eggs at Larry Elder

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You don't need a new book to tell you that Trump tried to overturn an election and the Constitution by violence.

Or that House/Senate Republicans refused to impeach/convict him for his violent attempt.

Or that Trump is the front-runner for the GOP 2024 presidential nomination.
At this point, the news is not what Trump did in January 2021.

The news is the ever-growing number of Republicans willing to excuse, justify, exonerate, and repeat what Trump did in January 2021.
I know it's hard to keep being shocked.

But it did really actually happen that as a sitting president Donald Trump tried to overturn the US Constitution by violence.

And that a big chunk of the Congress and the country shrugged off the attempt as no big deal.
Obama said in 2016: "democracy's on the ballot." That's tragically going to be true again in 2022 and very possibly 2024.
So the real question moving forward is:

Will there be ANY Republican candidate who accepts the results of their election?
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Wow. Throwing an egg at Larry Elder spawns all kinds of unrelated blather.

[Got Stripers]

What is this voter fraud Trump, Elder and others on the right speak of? Oh wait no evidence of it to date, unless of course your on the right and you need to say hey we won regardless of the rigged election results. This is their strategy moving forward, granted I see it actually blowing up in their face, but in their wacky world they think they can keep people from voting if they say it’s rigged. The irony is I think that message is impacting more of Republican voters than the desired target.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

What is this voter fraud Trump, Elder and others on the right speak of? Oh wait no evidence of it to date, unless of course your on the right and you need to say hey we won regardless of the rigged election results. This is their strategy moving forward, granted I see it actually blowing up in their face, but in their wacky world they think they can keep people from voting if they say it’s rigged. The irony is I think that message is impacting more of Republican voters than the desired target.

I think seeking to undermine the election process with no evidence of fraud is one of the worst things you could do in this country.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I think seeking to undermine the election process with no evidence of fraud is one of the worst things you could do in this country.

Elder wasn't seeking to undermine the election process.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Elder wasn't seeking to undermine the election process.

I’m done if you want to post crap like this. Really.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by spence

I’m done if you want to post crap like this. Really.

He also doesn’t think Trump and others incited the assault on the Capitol, don’t get him going it will be a barrage of links and blue font.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think seeking to undermine the election process with no evidence of fraud is one of the worst things you could do in this country.

so when a republican dares to run against a democrat, we now call that “undermining the election process”?

I bet you didn’t share those concerns when Scott Walker was recalled. Right? That recall gave you a big erection.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so when a republican dares to run against a democrat, we now call that “undermining the election process”?


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Was he only talking about running against the a democrat when he made that statement?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Was he only talking about running against the a democrat when he made that statement?

All the libs everywhere are saying this was just a partisan hit job against the election process. Haven't heard anyone say what they mean. Did Elder forge signatures on the recall petition? He he get dead people to vote? Or did he have the chutzpah to challenge a very prominent democrat, one in charge of a state that's a hot mess, that people are fleeing from, that ordered his citizenry to stay home while he went out for lavish dinners, because he's superior to everyone else?

I saw none of this concern when Scott Walker was recalled, but that was a good thing, because he was a republican.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

And the gaslighting starts with the same playbook as the leader of the Republicans
Before there are any results from the recall, Elder’s campaign is promoting a petition “demanding a special session of the California legislature to investigate and ameliorate the twisted results of this 2021 Recall Election of Governor Gavin Newsom."
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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Calling an election rigged before it even happens is the biggest possible “tell” that you yourself are trying to game the system. I wonder how many examples we need before we learn that.
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers

What is this voter fraud Trump, Elder and others on the right speak of? Oh wait no evidence of it to date, unless of course your on the right and you need to say hey we won regardless of the rigged election results. This is their strategy moving forward, granted I see it actually blowing up in their face, but in their wacky world they think they can keep people from voting if they say it’s rigged. The irony is I think that message is impacting more of Republican voters than the desired target.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so when a republican dares to run against a democrat, we now call that “undermining the election process”?

I bet you didn’t share those concerns when Scott Walker was recalled. Right? That recall gave you a big erection.
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No, it's when without evidence of any kind they call foul

Pretty odd visualization you have, sounds like wishful thinking to me

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No, it's when without evidence of any kind they call foul

Pretty odd visualization you have, sounds like wishful thinking to me

The Newsom camp called this thing a partisan hit job last week. What had elder done, to warrant that?

Is he saying there was cheating?

Pete i have full faith that Trump
legitimately got creamed, ok? Never said otherwise.

So can you tell me why it’s ok to require an id to see your doctor, but not to vote?

If you put the words beat apolitical problem solvers in a room, and asked them the best ways to endure we ruin integrity, every single one of them would say voter id and voting in person if possible. I can only think of one possible reason why anyone would oppose this, they want it to be easier to cheat. There’s no other possible reason.
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[Pete F.]

Even the Trumplicans tried to cancel “poor” Larry
“She went ballistic over what I said," Elder told Newsweek. "Never mind my body of work both in print and on radio where I expressed extreme skepticism about the fairness of the 2020 election. This is the kind of zero tolerance that induces people like me to not to want to go into politics."
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[Got Stripers]

Maybe Larry should take a page out of the terminators playbook and when interviewed after losing say don’t worry I’ll be back.

[Pete F.]

Too bad Gavin Newsom couldn’t send the $276,000,000 bill for this recall election to the Republican Party.
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[PaulS]

The number of signatures needed for recall and the format of the questions were stupid.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The number of signatures needed for recall and the format of the questions were stupid.
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who determines the number of signatures needed for recall? i’m guessing Larry Elder doesn’t make that decision, obviously it’s california law. the california state legislature, which I’ll bet is controlled by democrats, must write that law. but somehow this is all Larry Elders fault.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

who determines the number of signatures needed for recall? i’m guessing Larry Elder doesn’t make that decision, obviously it’s california law. the california state legislature, which I’ll bet is controlled by democrats, must write that law. but somehow this is all Larry Elders fault.
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I believe it's less than 15% of the people who voted in the last governor election.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I believe it's less than 15% of the people who voted in the last governor election.
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Again, that's not Larry Elder's fault,. It's the legislature's fault. Which party controls the California state legislature?

I doubt the GOP is responsible for that recall threshold, which seems stupidly low. I don't like recalls at all, and I didn't like this one. That's what scheduled elections are for.

But if I was governor of a state where a mere 15% of the voters could trigger a recall, I hope I'd be smarter than telling my constituents they had to stay inside for a year while I went out and enjoyed fabulously lavish dinners with the swells. If you do everything you can to present yourself as a czar, you're going to have to deal with people not appreciating it.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Again, that's not Larry Elder's fault,. It's the legislature's fault. Which party controls the California state legislature?

I doubt the GOP is responsible for that recall threshold, which seems stupidly low. I don't like recalls at all, and I didn't like this one. That's what scheduled elections are for.

But if I was governor of a state where a mere 15% of the voters could trigger a recall, I hope I'd be smarter than telling my constituents they had to stay inside for a year while I went out and enjoyed fabulously lavish dinners with the swells. If you do everything you can to present yourself as a czar, you're going to have to deal with people not appreciating it.

It's actually 12%. Wisc. is 25%. Not Elders fault. Just too low.

[PaulS]

Calif. has housing problems. The people moving out make less than the people moving in. There is no room to add housing stock in SF which keeps housing costs high.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Calif. has housing problems. The people moving out make less than the people moving in. There is no room to add housing stock in SF which keeps housing costs high.

you left out a few things, which i’m sure had nothing to do with politics. , it has crime, homelessness, san francisco which basically consists of tech millionaires and everyone else shooting up and pooping in the street, and it has very very high taxes. people are concluding the cost isn’t worth it.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you left out a few things, which i’m sure had nothing to do with politics. , it has crime, homelessness, san francisco which basically consists of tech millionaires and everyone else shooting up and pooping in the street, and it has very very high taxes. people are concluding the cost isn’t worth it.
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The people moving don't State their moving because of crime or a few people pooping in San Francisco. The ones moving are lower educated poorer folks who can't afford California. The people moving into California make more money an are more highly educated. Lower immigration from other countries has her California also.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The people moving don't State their moving because of crime or a few people pooping in San Francisco. The ones moving are lower educated poorer folks who can't afford California. The people moving into California make more money an are more highly educated. Lower immigration from other countries has her California also.
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so you found a source which states people claimed they were living for the reason you stated, but didn’t claim and if the reasons i stated. that’s what you’re saying?

google “why are people
leaving california.”.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so you found a source which states people claimed they were living for the reason you stated, but didn’t claim and if the reasons i stated. that’s what you’re saying?

google “why are people
leaving california.”.
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Yeah exactly right
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Calif. has housing problems. The people moving out make less than the people moving in. There is no room to add housing stock in SF which keeps housing costs high.

well spence said it wasn’t happening. then confronted with an AP article saying it was happening, immediately blamed it on covid. because the people fleeing California, found a state to move to, where covid doesn’t exist.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

well spence said it wasn’t happening. then confronted with an AP article saying it was happening, immediately blamed it on covid. because the people fleeing California, found a state to move to, where covid doesn’t exist.
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California has a massive population and about 25% of the population lost was due to Covid deaths. People haven't been able to move to CA because of Covid and immigration is way down because of Covid. Sure, some leave because of the high cost of living but it's not the main factor.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

California has a massive population and about 25% of the population lost was due to Covid deaths. People haven't been able to move to CA because of Covid and immigration is way down because of Covid. Sure, some leave because of the high cost of living but it's not the main factor.

Well if every state lost the same % of people, there’s be no loss of a congressional seat.

So you’re saying that the population drop is because CA has a meaningfully higher death rate than other states. But that isn’t a reflection of the job that the governor is doing.

Better and better.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

People haven't been able to move to CA because of Covid .

But the AP said the trend started i. 2017. Covid was a big deal in CA in 2017, then?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But the AP said the trend started i. 2017. Covid was a big deal in CA in 2017, then?
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No cycle is linear. You sure you work as an actuarial?

I'm serious about this.

[Jim in CT]

Pete - “it’s interesting that you claim to be conservative yet want more laws to prevent voter fraud.”.

where the heck did you get the laughably stupid idea, that being conservative means you don’t support any conceivable law?
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