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[Pete F.]

UPDATE: “MAUS” NOW AN AMAZON BESTSELLER…
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

UPDATE: “MAUS” NOW AN AMAZON BESTSELLER…
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The Bible is a best seller. The world's number one best seller. Not sure that merely being a best seller qualifies for being part of public school curriculums.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The Bible is a best seller. The world's number one best seller. Not sure that merely being a best seller qualifies for being part of public school curriculums.

Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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some people say the stupidest things for political reasons....

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

some people say the stupidest things for political reasons....

Some people say things they believe, unlike the supporters of the party of family values with the shining examples of Rapey McForehead, Herschel Walker, Eric Greitens, and Sean Parnell
Never mind the Trump family
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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Not that it matters other than your chastising others for not doing the research, but apparently Jimmy Carter was not the author of that quote:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ji...-helping-poor/

[scottw]

pete is pretty fast and loose with his misinformation...he just likes to hold others to high standards

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Not that it matters other than your chastising others for not doing the research, but apparently Jimmy Carter was not the author of that quote:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ji...-helping-poor/

Ok, let’s run with that

Congressman Stephen Fincher, a Republican from Tennessee, just took the Bible so far out of context he had to apply for a visa.Fincher is a fierce opponent of food aid for poor Americans. You know, like Jesus. He recently fought to cut $4.1 billion from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. If you only watch Fox, that means ‘food stamps.’ And thanks to the fine work of Fincher and his colleagues, 2 million working American families, children and seniors have already been cut off from food assistance.

So during a recent House agricultural committee debate, he decided to show how Christian it is to turn your back on unemployed suffering Americans by quoting one of the favorite Bible passages of revoltingly fake right-wing Christians — 2 Thessalonians 3:10 — “anyone unwilling to work should not eat.”

Fincher and the GOP … cut services for the poor and taxes for the rich. And it’s a free country. They’re allowed. But if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values. Because you don’t. And that’s why representative Fincher is our ‘revoltingly fake Christian of the week’!
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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Help the poor to do what? To comfortably remain poor? What was Jesus's true concern? To make everyone equally comfortable? To make everyone materially equal? Did he want human government to solve all of humanity's needs and problems? Did he want a world in which there was no need for God?

Separating Christ's values from "Christian values" gives the lie to anyone who professes a secular government based on "Christian values."

Christ taught a charity that is personal, not governmental. Christ did not try to reform government, nor support movements that would make the government a means to solve the material needs of humanity.

When he said to give Caesar what was owed to Caesar, he did not tell us to give Caesar your soul. He did not tell us to become dependent on Caesar. Your soul, your essence, your fundamental self belongs to him, to God. No matter under what governmental system by which you happen to be ruled.

That is the true Christian value. And a true Christian would speak that message, not tell us to worship and depend on the manna given to us by a secular society.

I don't know how deeply felt were Jimmy Carter's Christian values. Nor even, how deep is the faith of most of those who profess to be Christians.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Help the poor to do what? To comfortably remain poor? What was Jesus's true concern? To make everyone equally comfortable? To make everyone materially equal? Did he want human government to solve all of humanity's needs and problems? Did he want a world in which there was no need for God?

Separating Christ's values from "Christian values" gives the lie to anyone who professes a secular government based on "Christian values."

Christ taught a charity that is personal, not governmental. Christ did not try to reform government, nor support movements that would make the government a means to solve the material needs of humanity.

When he said to give Caesar what was owed to Caesar, he did not tell us to give Caesar your soul. He did not tell us to become dependent on Caesar. Your soul, your essence, your fundamental self belongs to him, to God. No matter under what governmental system by which you happen to be ruled.

That is the true Christian value. And a true Christian would speak that message, not tell us to worship and depend on the manna given to us by a secular society.

I don't know how deeply felt were Jimmy Carter's Christian values. Nor even, how deep is the faith of most of those who profess to be Christians.

it fun when leftist atheists lecture Christians about being Christian,,,,it's like when white liberals lecture black folks about being black

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

it fun when leftist atheists lecture Christians about being Christian,,,,it's like when white liberals lecture black folks about being black

It’s fun to watch ignorant people prove their ignorance, are you claiming to be more Christian than Jimmy Carter or I
🤡
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It’s fun to watch ignorant people prove their ignorance, are you claiming to be more Christian than Jimmy Carter or I
🤡
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nope...just making an observation...I don't care how Christian you or Jimmy Carter are

[Pete F.]

I suppose that because there wasn’t organized healthcare in Christ or the Founders time that doesn’t matter.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I suppose that because there wasn’t organized healthcare in Christ or the Founders time that doesn’t matter.

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[wdmso]

I don’t care much about the moral
shortcomings of people in DC, i care about their policies and results.

Ever once in a while the Truth comes out. Today’s New GOP has even given up on character,! And they want stay in power by any means necessary…. trumps the prime example
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[Pete F.]

All that remains of the old GOP is a bunch of resentful voters and a freakish cult.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

All that remains of the old GOP is a bunch of resentful voters and a freakish cult.
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AXIOS Jan 28, 2022 - Politics & Policy
Democrats stiff Biden as poll numbers hit low point

JAN. 28, 2022
Why Joe Biden Is Bleeding Black Support
Although Biden has lost ground with most every demographic group, he’s suffered especially steep losses with African American voters. In polling from NBC News, Biden’s approval rating among Black voters has fallen from 83 percent last April to 64 percent today. Quinnipiac University’s surveys show a similar trend, with Biden’s Black support dropping from 78 percent to 57 percent over the course of his first year in office.

guess we know why the Supreme Court thing erupted

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I suppose that because there wasn’t organized healthcare in Christ or the Founders time that doesn’t matter.
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So if government mandated universal healthcare had existed in Christ's time, that might have made it a bit harder for him to convince people to believe his divinity. Of course, he still would have had the proprietary rights of bringing the dead back to life. And his other miraculous healings of the blind and the sick and the demon infested psychologically disturbed would have been more appealing than whatever backward medical treatments were available back then--especially so since his and his disciple's service was free. Except that there was an implicit expectation that the healings would convince the ill and impoverished (as well and especially those healthy others who witnessed or heard about the miracles) to follow him and believe in the coming kingdom of God. That is, they would pay for their cures by surrendering their souls to Christ, to God. If they didn't, there might well not be another cure the next time around--not an explicit threat, but a rational, even religious, conclusion.

It was that payment by soul that was ultimately the true concern of Christ. He did not have a mission to provide some universal health care, nor even campaign for the government to provide it. Rather his goal was the singular salvation of souls. He didn't intend to physically cure every ill and dying person, nor even a minor fraction of them. Even if he would have, they would just get sick again, and he would then be burdened with the never ending task of providing universal health care.

The poor in health and the poor in spirit were the most vulnerable and the most likely to want what Christ offered. And therefor the most likely to provide occasions for miraculous cures for some of the more "privileged" to witness and be motivated thereby to eschew their wealth and privilege and follow the Christian way.

But the price for entering the kingdom of God was always the individual soul, not the lip service of organized bureaucracies and governments.

If anything, that organized capture of and lip service to Christianity (even though it has made possible the expansion of the religion) has diluted the true faith. And in our semi-miraculous technologically advanced time, that dilution has exposed much of the organized, bureaucratic "Christianity" to be a soulless fraud. This current Pope is the ultimate sellout of the Christian faith to the earthly powers and their centralized bureaucratic machinations intended to make us all little useful cogs in support of those self-indulgent but ultimately meaningless coteries of ruling elites.

With your "more Christian than Jimmy Carter or I" you've implied that you're a Christian. If so, are you a true believer or a soulless lip servant who can from time to time invoke the name of Jesus or refer to "Christian values" when it somehow supports some pet agenda?

[Pete F.]

You know how sometimes you think I wonder what being a North Korean teacher feels like ?

Wonder no more aspiring teachers and autocracy lovers, you can just go to Florida !
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You know how sometimes you think I wonder what being a North Korean teacher feels like ?

Wonder no more aspiring teachers and autocracy lovers, you can just go to Florida !
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So . . . are you a Christian?

[Pete F.]

Wow
The White Wing is all wound up about a criminal getting killed by a police officer.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Wow
The White Wing is all wound up about a criminal getting killed by a police officer.
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make an argument that she posed an immediate and lethal threat to anyone.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

make an argument that she posed an immediate and lethal threat to anyone.
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For all anyone knew she could have been a suicide bomber.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

For all anyone knew she could have been a suicide bomber.
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ok. so you’re saying it’s ok for cops to shoot anyone who “could be a suicide bomber.”

does that apply across the board? or only when the person shot is a republican? based on your logic, cops can kill any young muslim men they see.

idiot.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ok. so you’re saying it’s ok for cops to shoot anyone who “could be a suicide bomber.”

does that apply across the board? or only when the person shot is a republican? based on your logic, cops can kill any young muslim men they see.

idiot.
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You think they wouldn’t shoot a woman in a hijab crawling thru a smashed wall?
Idiot
Cops have no trouble justifying shooting people

If she’d been in another place maybe 9 would have shot her

https://www.thedailybeast.com/police...ille-tennessee
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[Pete F.]

It’s amazing that you call storming the Capitol to stop the democratic transfer of power “trespassing”. That’s the same energy that called a war to maintain slavery in the south - the Civil War - a war over states right.
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[Pete F.]

In polls a clear majority of Americans say they disapprove of Jan. 6, want Jan. 6 lawbreakers punished, support the Jan. 6 committee, and want to know the truth about Jan. 6.

Just wait for the ad showing video of Jan. 6 mayhem, with caption and voiceover: “The 2022 Republican Party: Riots, Lies, and Videotape.”

Then the ad featuring one of the terrific Capitol Police officers, and then showing scenes of the screaming mob: “We stand with him. They stand with them.”

It’s obvious where the White Wing stands
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

In polls a clear majority of Americans say they disapprove of Jan. 6, want Jan. 6 lawbreakers punished, support the Jan. 6 committee, and want to know the truth about Jan. 6.

Just wait for the ad showing video of Jan. 6 mayhem, with caption and voiceover: “The 2022 Republican Party: Riots, Lies, and Videotape.”

Then the ad featuring one of the terrific Capitol Police officers, and then showing scenes of the screaming mob: “We stand with him. They stand with them.”

It’s obvious where the White Wing stands
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i also disapprove of january 6. but unlike you I’m not dong to
lie about what happened that day, for political gain.

TV ads? your side hasn’t stopped talking about january 6th for two seconds. yet polls show that people are turning away from dems. it’s entertaining for fanatics like you, but no one else cares. so go ahead and make the ad. people care about inflation and crime.

“where the white wing stands.”

More than 50% of hispanics in VA voted for Youngkin.

“White wing”, that’s a good one! Zing!

but you’re too cowardly to
answer a simple question.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i also disapprove of january 6. but unlike you I’m not dong to
lie about what happened that day, for political gain.

TV ads? your side hasn’t stopped talking about january 6th for two seconds. yet polls show that people are turning away from dems. it’s entertaining for fanatics like you, but no one else cares. so go ahead and make the ad. people care about inflation and crime.

“where the white wing stands.”

More than 50% of hispanics in VA voted for Youngkin.

“White wing”, that’s a good one! Zing!

but you’re too cowardly to
answer a simple question.
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But you have lied about what happened that day, claiming that Ashli Babbitt was not a criminal but a poor somewhat innocent tourist.

This was an invasion of the Capitol by a throng of people openly attempting to prevent the Electoral College from engaging in its lawful functions so that their preferred candidate would be declared the winner of a presidential election. That fits neatly within almost any dictionary’s definition of “insurrection.” Members of the insurrectionist mob had erected a gallows across from the Capitol building; chanted, “Hang Mike Pence”; and were equipped with flex-cuffs.

Keep in mind that just yesterday Trump said if he is re-elected, he will pardon the insurrectionists, but I thought it was BLM, Antifa, FBI and tourists who attacked the Capitol?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

But you have lied about what happened that day, claiming that Ashli Babbitt was not a criminal but a poor somewhat innocent tourist.

This was an invasion of the Capitol by a throng of people openly attempting to prevent the Electoral College from engaging in its lawful functions so that their preferred candidate would be declared the winner of a presidential election. That fits neatly within almost any dictionary’s definition of “insurrection.” Members of the insurrectionist mob had erected a gallows across from the Capitol building; chanted, “Hang Mike Pence”; and were equipped with flex-cuffs.

Keep in mind that just yesterday Trump said if he is re-elected, he will pardon the insurrectionists, but I thought it was BLM, Antifa, FBI and tourists who attacked the Capitol?
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please post where i said she wasn’t a criminal? please please post that.

liar.

i said she didn’t pose an immediate, lethal threat to anybody. but she was trespassing, maybe guilty of vandalism. not normally considered capital offenses, but certainly crimes.

you just lie and make up whatever suits your demented narrative.
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