NC bathroom law

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Can you cite one example of this ever happening?
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http://www.dailywire.com/news/5190/5...-prestigiacomo

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

http://www.dailywire.com/news/5190/5...-prestigiacomo

Dailywire? Im sure you can come with a less biased source. Shapiro is a pundit...
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Can you cite one example of this ever happening?
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You're being really, really dense. You know how you like to tell others o google something for 30 seconds? Take your own advice. Look it up. Are you seriously going to suggest that you don't concede that perverts and voyeurs have ever plied their craft in a public restroom?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're being really, really dense. You know how you like to tell others o google something for 30 seconds? Take your own advice. Look it up. Are you seriously going to suggest that you don't concede that perverts and voyeurs have ever plied their craft in a public restroom?

Voyeurs and perverts are a different argument than a man or woman who has had their gender changed.

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[Nebe]

When I go to take a piss, I don't even make eye contact with people. You do your business and leave.
The more I learn about life the more I learn how scared some are to be alive and interact with people unlike them. I'm actually posting this from Jamaica right now and have had to interact with guys that I at first we're going to rob me and ended up being the most beautiful caring people. They are just different.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

When I go to take a piss, I don't even make eye contact with people. You do your business and leave.
The more I learn about life the more I learn how scared some are to be alive and interact with people unlike them. I'm actually posting this from Jamaica right now and have had to interact with guys that I at first we're going to rob me and ended up being the most beautiful caring people. They are just different.
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Good God. I am willing to interact with anyone, in the appropriate setting. A public restroom has a specific function, and people who go in there, especially women, deserve to feel private and secure. I can't believe that is lost on you.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

When I go to take a piss, I don't even make eye contact with people. You do your business and leave.
The more I learn about life the more I learn how scared some are to be alive and interact with people unlike them. I'm actually posting this from Jamaica right now and have had to interact with guys that I at first we're going to rob me and ended up being the most beautiful caring people. They are just different.
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how's the weed?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scottw

how's the weed?

I hear it's disappointing. I've just been enjoying red stripes and jerked pork 😂😂😂
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I hear it's disappointing. I've just been enjoying red stripes and jerked pork ������
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love Red Stripe...

I know I'm supposed to be "worrying about myself"...but this is bathrooms and showers I believe and many other things by extension I imagine...can a woman who has decided he's trapped in a female body use the Men's locker room and shower at the YMCA....and are the men in the shower going to be chastised for not being fully supportive or slightly surprised when a man in a woman's body strolls into the shower with them?...how about the boy's locker room..or the girl's...I think there have been examples of this?....can people who have one anatomy decide to compete in a sport based on their gender identity rather than their physical gender....can a male identifying as a female compete in and get a scholarship as a female athlete if he identifies as a her? I'm all for accommodating people but it's just amazing that often those that want accommodation(in many things) and don't want their sensibilities challenged....are more than willing to challenge the sensibilities of others and even attack them for not being fully accommodating

this is exactly where all of this is going...i just want to know the rules


btw... unisex showers and bathrooms are a great idea for college campuses where the "culture of rape" apparently exists and you can be charged with all sorts of crimes for looking at someone the wrong way or saying the wrong thing...shouldn't be a problem

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

love Red Stripe...

m?...how about the boy's locker room..or the girl's...I think there have been examples of this?....can people who have one anatomy decide to compete in a sport based on their gender identity rather than their physical gender....can a male identifying as a female compete in and get a scholarship as a female athlete if he identifies as a her? I'm all for accommodating people but it's just amazing that often those that want accommodation(in many things) and don't want their sensibilities challenged....are more than willing to challenge the sensibilities of others and even attack them for not being fully accommodating

this is exactly where all of this is going...i just want to know the rules


btw... unisex showers and bathrooms are a great idea for college campuses where the "culture of rape" apparently exists and you can be charged with all sorts of crimes for looking at someone the wrong way or saying the wrong thing...shouldn't be a problem

"how about the boy's locker room..or the girl's...I think there have been examples of this?...."

Yes, in IL (I believe) a boy decided he was a girl, the schoool let him play girl's sports and use the girls locker room when no one else was in there. Naturally, that wasn't good enough for the fanatics, who sued to give the boy full access to the girls locker room any time he wanted, and they won in court. So now girls have to shower with boys. Isn't that swell?

"those that want accommodation(in many things) and don't want their sensibilities challenged....are more than willing to challenge the sensibilities of others and even attack them for not being fully accommodating "

As we all know, that's the glaring hypocrisy of liberalism. Diversity of everything, except ideas...

[Sea Dangles]

Hell, it actually sounds like another fetish is a possibility. I would listen to hot babes make a doody.
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[Jim in CT]

Spence, maybe you'll tell us that the World Health Organization doesn't know as much about this stuff as some gay rights group, but here's some pudding that's just chock full of truth. You will find it to be inconvenient truthm, and thus not to be accepted, but try telling a scientist that it's not chromosomes that determine your sex...

"Humans are born with 46 chromosomes in 23 pairs. The X and Y chromosomes determine a person’s sex"

http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html

Also..."Gender, typically described in terms of masculinity and femininity, is a social construction that varies across different cultures and over time"

Gender is what you are referring to, which I guess can be said to be interchangeable. Not biological sex. And when one goes into a public restroom, it's (hopefully) not to engage in a social experiment, but rather to take care of a biological function. That used to be a simple, non-controversial topic. Not anymore. Unbelievable.

Enjoy that pudding.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Also..."Gender, typically described in terms of masculinity and femininity, is a social construction that varies across different cultures and over time"

I believe I said as the brain is concerned...

It's this simple. You're born a man, brain thinks you're a woman, you have your genitalia reworked, hormone therapy, you sound-think-look-dress-act like a woman...yet state law says you have to use the men's room.

God help you down south.

Is this what you want your son walking into when he goes to the public restroom?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe I said as the brain is concerned...

It's this simple. You're born a man, brain thinks you're a woman, you have your genitalia reworked, hormone therapy, you sound-think-look-dress-act like a woman...yet state law says you have to use the men's room.

God help you down south.

Is this what you want your son walking into when he goes to the public restroom?

That's not a transgender either !
That's not what this law is about .
This will allow you to use a woman's bathroom if you have a penis and are heterosexual but identify as a women .
Like Bruce Jenner
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

That's not a transgender either !
That's not what this law is about .
This will allow you to use a woman's bathroom if you have a penis and are heterosexual but identify as a women .
Like Bruce Jenner
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It is what these laws are about...it's everything.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

It is what these laws are about...it's everything.

Except the feelings of those that expect privacy and normalcy
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

It's this simple. You're born a man, brain thinks you're a woman, you have your genitalia reworked, hormone therapy, you sound-think-look-dress-act like a woman...yet state law says you have to use the men's room.

Key phrase there is have your genitalia reworked.....if you can still write your name in the snow, you're a dude.....enjoy the use of the urinals.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Key phrase there is have your genitalia reworked.....if you can still write your name in the snow, you're a dude.....enjoy the use of the urinals.
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Or if you're born a woman but look like a man be forced to walk into the ladies room, feel like an idiot and scare the crap out of the women.

Nice...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Or if you're born a woman but look like a man be forced to walk into the ladies room, feel like an idiot and scare the crap out of the women.

Nice...

Well . . . for those who are in there for a crap, but having trouble moving it, this would be a good thing.

Or, if your born with a male body . . . you know, a wee wee and such . . . and you go into a men's bathroom, no one will have his crap affected.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Or if you're born a woman but look like a man be forced to walk into the ladies room, feel like an idiot and scare the crap out of the women.

Nice...

Nobody feels uncomfortable in their locker room.....good news is they are off to States....

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe I said as the brain is concerned...

It's this simple. You're born a man, brain thinks you're a woman, you have your genitalia reworked, hormone therapy, you sound-think-look-dress-act like a woman...yet state law says you have to use the men's room.

God help you down south.

Is this what you want your son walking into when he goes to the public restroom?

In what context would you want your son walking into this?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe I said as the brain is concerned...

It's this simple. You're born a man, brain thinks you're a woman, you have your genitalia reworked, hormone therapy, you sound-think-look-dress-act like a woman...yet state law says you have to use the men's room.

God help you down south.

Is this what you want your son walking into when he goes to the public restroom?

It's this simple...you can do all those things, but YOU ARE STILL A MAN. Your chromosomes say you are a man.

And what none of you has touched upon, presumably because you can't argue that I'm wrong, is this...if you open up the ladies room to men who are trans, you cannot then prevent perverts and voyers from saying they are a tran, simply to gain access to the ladies rooms. So, regrettably, a small number of trans might have to be inconvenienced, to safeguard the privacy/safety of everyone else. We all have to make sacrifices for others.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And what none of you has touched upon, presumably because you can't argue that I'm wrong, is this...if you open up the ladies room to men who are trans, you cannot then prevent perverts and voyers from saying they are a tran, simply to gain access to the ladies rooms. So, regrettably, a small number of trans might have to be inconvenienced, to safeguard the privacy/safety of everyone else. We all have to make sacrifices for others.

Jim, as you're a facts sort of guy try and find some that back up your assertion. You'll find plenty about how transgender people are harassed today and scant if any evidence these laws have been a problem in states where they've been implemented.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, as you're a facts sort of guy try and find some that back up your assertion. You'll find plenty about how transgender people are harassed today and scant if any evidence these laws have been a problem in states where they've been implemented.

We talked about this. I googled 'woman assualted in restroom', and I got pages and pages of news stories. Opening up the ladies room to anyone who fancies going in there, increases the likelihood of these incidents. All you can do to respond, is offer vague denials that it happens. So clearly you ar enot a 'facts' kind of guy, unless the facts happen to support your agenda.

I have no doubt trannies get harassed in the mens room. It's not a perfect workd. We need to find the solution that stinks for the fewest number of people, and using that as a barometer, it's obvious.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

You'll find plenty about how transgender people are harassed today and scant if any evidence these laws have been a problem in states where they've been implemented.

You can't legislate tolerance and acceptance.......#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s come in all shapes, sizes, and sexes......
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe I said as the brain is concerned...

God help you down south.

?

Yeah, which is why they cannot build houses fast enough in places like NC, SC, TN, GA. And who is moving there? Young kids from New England, who graduate college and can't get down there fast enough.

[Jim in CT]

Also Spence, I see you didn't respond to a critical question of mine (shocker, I know)...what do you think of the fact that the Obama administration told the governor he could have a one week extension, only if he publicly acknowledged that the law is discriminatory and unconstitutional?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

What rights have you lost and I have gained or not lost ?? seems to be more emotional than factual ??

When the Federal Government goes beyond the powers reserved for it and usurps the powers left to the States and to the people in their localities, we have all lost constitutional rights not only to self-government, but the right to be free from oppressive government.

And when a central government grants itself the power to create rights outside of its right to do so, it engenders the belief and sets the precedent that our rights belong to it not to us. As that central power expands its domain over our lives with tens of thousands and growing numbers of regulations, even to minutiae such as gender preferences and bathrooms, it gives credence to the ideology that it should indeed have the power to do so, and that "rights," indeed, are created and given by government, and that any notion of rights being unalienable, not to be tampered with by government, is an old, unworkable, even silly notion.

In order to agree upon what rights we have lost or gained by unconstitutional regulation, we must first agree on the difference between unalienable rights and government granted rights. Unalienable rights are natural, inherently owned by individuals, precede government, and cannot be abridged by government. Government granted rights are owned by government's power to create them, and its power to take them away.

If you study the history of the Constitution and its transformation from law to a "living, breathing" embodiment of evolving unlimited governmental power, it will be obvious how much unalienable right we have lost and been replaced by government concocted, dictated, and owned "rights."

If we both agree on that, and you think you have lost nothing, but gained rights by it, then your love of and trust in the power of unlimited government is either emotional or based on the misunderstanding or ignorance of facts.

So in your world view allowing transgender to use the bathroom of the sex the identify with.. as taking your rights away in my world view its giving a right to people different than my self .. like same sex marriage its called addition not subtraction

I don't have a world view on "rights" to bathroom use. Such rights, if they truly can be considered "rights" rather than customs, are dependent on the people of different parts of the world. Should our Federal Government have its regulatory agencies tell the world how to use bathrooms? Should it be telling the people of all the localities in the U.S. how? Do You really want the Federal Government to have that much power? Well, it's apparently no skin off your nose if it does. But, here in the U.S. forcing the preference of a few over that of the many gives a preferential "right" to the few and takes away the preferential right of the rest. It seems, regarding addition and subtraction, it raises the sum of a few and subtracts from the sum of the many.

I see conservatives much more willing to limit the rights of others and their own followers in order to maintain what they call Traditional Vaules but they use the word Ban all the time they ban this they will Ban that !! even in the 2a argument the right loves the word Ban for the past 50 years... I dont support banning guns but that wont stop Conservatives from thinking I do... why because I am not upset if a transgender uses the same rest room I do or gay people get married or people shouldn't be shot or beat by police no matter how much they may or may not deserve it .. reguardless of there Race

You're not understanding that limiting the power of government expands the "rights" of the people. When you drift from that principle into the quagmire of "interpretation" and personal opinion, your perception clouds into a mixture of emotion, contradictory ideas, misperceptions, incomplete thoughts, and all matter of unintelligible confusion. You become ripe for rhetorical devices rather than logic.

calling them cowards when they oppose your points of view,,???? Dont recall calling any one person a coward however being afraid is very different from being a coward and I haven't met many conservatives who wont defend their views Vigorously sadly I have met many liberals who don't defend their views Vigorously

1. Coward
a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Afraid feeling reluctance, unwillingness, distaste, or the like:

Fear is the overriding emotion in cowardice. There are several other definitions of "coward" other than the one you give. There's this: "Cowardice is a trait wherein fear and excess self-concern override doing or saying what is right, good and of help to others or oneself in a time of need." And, regarding the word "courage" which is part of the definition you give here, there is this: "Courage is resistance to fear."

Here are a few of instances you accused conservatives of fear:

"Step back from the emoting and fear and look at the big picture."

""Conservatives are afraid of everything and everyone."

"The possibility of other justices not seeing the world as you do its terrifying."

"Wow can you 2 be any more afraid of black people"

Those quotes have a good deal of what resides in various definitions of cowardice.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I don't have a world view on "rights" to bathroom use. Such rights, if they truly can be considered "rights" rather than customs, are dependent on the people of different parts of the world. Should our Federal Government have its regulatory agencies tell the world how to use bathrooms? Should it be telling the people of all the localities in the U.S. how? Do You really want the Federal Government to have that much power?


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I suspect the answer is YES....up to and until they find that the government at the time disagrees with them politically or morally and then the answer would be absolutely NO.

The Obama Admin is warning school districts that full access to both bathrooms and by extension locker rooms is a "civil right"

I suspect we can save a ton of money going forward by building only one unisex restroom and/or shower facility throughout our society, why even build separate facilities when we've learned that they not really necessary and since there truly is no anatomical difference between the sexes, only state of mind and a truly open state of mind(which is a societal requirement) would never recognize any differences anyway.... which will make us much better off...an probably more like Europe...which is a good thing

I wonder, if a future administration dictates through the Federal Agencies that the "right to life" is a "civil right" and that this extends to those in the womb.....would this be a problem for the folks who applaud Federal Dictates?...surely no one can argue that the "right to life" is a "civil right" or that the right to life trumps the right to end one or the right to privacy .......can they???

the pendulum swings....

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Fear is the overriding emotion in cowardice. There are several other definitions of "coward" other than the one you give. There's this: "Cowardice is a trait wherein fear and excess self-concern override doing or saying what is right, good and of help to others or oneself in a time of need." And, regarding the word "courage" which is part of the definition you give here, there is this: "Courage is resistance to fear."

Here are a few of instances you accused conservatives of fear:

"Step back from the emoting and fear and look at the big picture."

""Conservatives are afraid of everything and everyone."

"The possibility of other justices not seeing the world as you do its terrifying."

"Wow can you 2 be any more afraid of black people"

Those quotes have a good deal of what resides in various definitions of cowardice.

like I thought, never called any one a coward if you see fear residing in various definitions cowardice thats on you..

I clearly defined the differences between Cowardice and fear as I see it ... and how I apply it