Johns Hopkins University says US was most prepared country in world for pandemic

[PaulS]

5 million cases now. Please, I want to stop winning. I'm getting tired of it.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I'm getting tired of it.

We do have pills for that.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

5 million cases now. Please, I want to stop winning. I'm getting tired of it.
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how many are trumps fault?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

how many are trumps fault?
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Tough to put a number on his incompetence, laziness and lies
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Tough to put a number on his incompetence, laziness and lies
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Tough to put a number on any typical politicians incompetence, laziness and lies. So why is that supposed to be the issue as opposed to difference between Republican and Progressive agendas. If you prefer Progressivism, I suspect you prefer unlimited government power.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Tough to put a number on his incompetence, laziness and lies
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are any the fault of pelosi and diblasio, who told their constituents in late february that it was safe to go out to crowded public places? just curious.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

are any the fault of pelosi and diblasio, who told their constituents in late february that it was safe to go out to crowded public places? just curious.
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The difference is that in the beginning the virus was an unknown. So if you want to say it caused some deaths feel free. But that # is nothing compared to the incompetence shown by Trump. He could have prevented many deaths by just wearing a mask (something he very rarely does even today) and by getting out of the way of the experts and stopped contradicting them and giving ammo to the people who opened up too early.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

are any the fault of pelosi and diblasio, who told their constituents in late february that it was safe to go out to crowded public places? just curious.
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You love looking backwards don't yet you praise Trump for his Travel ban band paraise him ... yet yesterday telling Americans its safe to send your kids to school or its disappearing is not problematic and sturges motorcycle rally is What American 1st freedom .. more like me 1st the True Republican way of thinking

[Pete F.]

Keep this in mind
It has come to this: Even the Canadians don't want us. Cars with US plates are vandalized and Americans sneaking across the border face fines as high as six figures.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Keep this in mind
It has come to this: Even the Canadians don't want us. Cars with US plates are vandalized and Americans sneaking across the border face fines as high as six figures.
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I'll keep that in mind and not care what Canadians don't want. Canadians are more dependent on the U.S than we are on them. They've had an idiotic superiority complex over us since revolutionary days.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Silly boy, the same people who screamed about Obama doing EOs
Welcome Tweety’s overreach, much like deficits and the usual Republican economic collapse
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Whatever the "same" people screamed about Obama doing EOs is irrelevant to me. If you're talking to me, forget about the "same" people. My objection to EOs is not their existence or mere use of. It is their unconstitutional use of. And it is of that unconstitutional use that Progressives created a massive precedent. To "scream" now that Trump is doing what Progressives have basically institutionalized smacks of selective criticism, especially hypocritical if your not concerned with Progressives gaining control of the federal government.

Trump is not the problem in that respect. Progressivism is. And any little move, even by electing Republicans instead of Democrats, to help put some brakes on the Progressive march to unlimited power, would seem to be a welcome one to you if you truly oppose unconstitutional use of EOs along with the rest of the Progressive abuse of the Constitution.

Any unconstitutional move by Trump can be opposed by suing it in the Courts. If it makes its way to the Supreme, then the four dyed in the wool Progressives along with Roberts and most of the original constitutionalist Judges if not all will strike it down. If the court is packed with Progressive picks, it will uphold unconstitutional acts by Progressive legislators and Progressive Presidents.

That is the issue, not Trump or Biden.

[Pete F.]

You believe in Trump and Trumpism. We believe in decency, democracy, the rule of law, national unity, competence, science, medicine, expert advice, vital American institutions and the Constitution. Oh and you believe in Ghislane Maxwell. Forgot.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You believe in Trump and Trumpism. We believe in decency, democracy, the rule of law, national unity, competence, science, medicine, expert advice, vital American institutions and the Constitution. Oh and you believe in Ghislane Maxwell. Forgot.
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You believe in bull$hit.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You believe in bull$hit.

Only plan that’s always on Trump’s mind is ‘how can I get mine?’
There’s no healthcare plan.
There’s no economic recovery plan.
There’s no nat’l pandemic mitigation plan.
There’s no safe back to school plan.
There’s no nat’l security plan.
There’s no racial injustice plan.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Only plan that’s always on Trump’s mind is ‘how can I get mine?’
There’s no healthcare plan.
There’s no economic recovery plan.
There’s no nat’l pandemic mitigation plan.
There’s no safe back to school plan.
There’s no nat’l security plan.
There’s no racial injustice plan.
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As I said, you believe in bull$hit. If you believe in the Constitution, as you say you do, then you don't believe in the Constitution as written, but in the fictitious one that Progressives claim has evolved through some miraculous living and breathing. Of course, that kind of evolution is nonsense. This fictitious Constitution evolved through Progressive manipulation, not by some time driven life force.

Your desire for these listed national plans is evidence that you want the all-powerful Progressive central government that the Constitution is supposed to protect us against.

Do you believe states are necessary? Would you consider it better if they were relegated merely to being geographically described areas rather than sovereign states with their own constitutions.

Whether you describe your personal political principles as Progressive or not, you constantly express your political desires the way a Progressive would. And if you are a Progressive, you believe in the Constitution as Ruth Bader Ginsburg does. She has said that she would not recommend it as a governing principle for any country looking to create a blue print for national governance. She has said that she would prefer more recent ones with lengthy more detailed positive things government must do.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

As I said, you believe in bull$hit. If you believe in the Constitution, as you say you do, then you don't believe in the Constitution as written, but in the fictitious one that Progressives claim has evolved through some miraculous living and breathing. Of course, that kind of evolution is nonsense. This fictitious Constitution evolved through Progressive manipulation, not by some time driven life force.

Your desire for these listed national plans is evidence that you want the all-powerful Progressive central government that the Constitution is supposed to protect us against.

Do you believe states are necessary? Would you consider it better if they were relegated merely to being geographically described areas rather than sovereign states with their own constitutions.

Whether you describe your personal political principles as Progressive or not, you constantly express your political desires the way a Progressive would. And if you are a Progressive, you believe in the Constitution as Ruth Bader Ginsburg does. She would not recommend it as a governing principle for any country looking to create a blue print for national governance. She would prefer more recent ones with lengthy more detailed positive things government must do.

As written. Anything thing else... you dont know what your talking about... question are Trumps actions supported by your originalist view. Of as written ?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

As I said, you believe in bull$hit. If you believe in the Constitution, as you say you do, then you don't believe in the Constitution as written, but in the fictitious one that Progressives claim has evolved through some miraculous living and breathing. Of course, that kind of evolution is nonsense. This fictitious Constitution evolved through Progressive manipulation, not by some time driven life force.

Your desire for these listed national plans is evidence that you want the all-powerful Progressive central government that the Constitution is supposed to protect us against.

Do you believe states are necessary? Would you consider it better if they were relegated merely to being geographically described areas rather than sovereign states with their own constitutions.

Whether you describe your personal political principles as Progressive or not, you constantly express your political desires the way a Progressive would. And if you are a Progressive, you believe in the Constitution as Ruth Bader Ginsburg does. She would not recommend it as a governing principle for any country looking to create a blue print for national governance. She would prefer more recent ones with lengthy more detailed positive things government must do.

Forget about the legislative branch, people "want leaders who get things done," reads better in the original Italian or German or Russian. If the liberal tradition of representative government and the rule of law stands for anything, it stands against this.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You believe in Trump and Trumpism. We believe in decency, democracy, the rule of law, national unity, competence, science, medicine, expert advice, vital American institutions and the Constitution. Oh and you believe in Ghislane Maxwell. Forgot.
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good summary but you forgot empathy and compassion.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by PaulS

good summary but you forgot empathy and compassion.

Can't bother with that... He is too busy working on healthcare...

President Donald Trump said he plans to approve a healthcare plan "within two weeks," in an interview that aired July 19 on "Fox News Sunday."

He must have meant two months, right? He's only had 3.5 years....

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Can't bother with that... He is too busy working on healthcare...

President Donald Trump said he plans to approve a healthcare plan "within two weeks," in an interview that aired July 19 on "Fox News Sunday."

He must have meant two months, right? He's only had 3.5 years....

What part of Article 2 says that he should enforce empathy and compassion? Or to work on healthcare? You and Paul, like Pete, want an autocrat President?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What part of Article 2 says that he should enforce empathy and compassion? Or to work on healthcare? You and Paul, like Pete, want an autocrat President?

Tweety said he was working on healthcare, probably he will be as successful as he was with his wall which other countries have now effectively created to keep Americans out.
The Canadians in particular have stopped the caravans of Americans.
When he’s done you will likely have gotten your healthcare wish as he will have destroyed what little system we have.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You believe in Trump and Trumpism. We believe in decency, democracy, the rule of law, national unity, competence, science, medicine, expert advice, vital American institutions and the Constitution. Oh and you believe in Ghislane Maxwell. Forgot.
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democrats believe in democracy. the side that started trying to undo a fair election on day one, and never stopped, that’s the side that believes in democracy.

the side that encourages violent anarchists, they believe in democracy.
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[Pete F.]

As Tweety tweeted
President Obama has a major meeting on the N.Y.C. Ebola outbreak, with people flying in from all over the country, but decided to play golf!
By the way Tweety has played more golf than Obama did in two terms
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As Tweety tweeted
President Obama has a major meeting on the N.Y.C. Ebola outbreak, with people flying in from all over the country, but decided to play golf!
By the way Tweety has played more golf than Obama did in two terms
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so again, what’s the maximum allowable number of rounds
of golf? once again, i bet it’s more than obama but less than trump. right?

no sane person should care if the president plays golf except during the middle of an actual emergency like an invasion. it was stupid to criticize obama for it, stupid to
criticize trump for it.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so again, what’s the maximum allowable number of rounds
of golf? once again, i bet it’s more than obama but less than trump. right?

no sane person should care if the president plays golf except during the middle of an actual emergency like an invasion. it was stupid to criticize obama for it, stupid to
criticize trump for it.
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Well since you and many other Repubs. constantly complained about Obama playing golf (and many other petty things) isn't it the height of hypocrisy not to criticize Trump since he is playing golf at a far higher rate than Obama (and never mind it is during a virus that has killed over 160K with no end in sight)?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well since you and many other Repubs. constantly complained about Obama playing golf (and many other petty things) isn't it the height of hypocrisy not to criticize Trump since he is playing golf at a far higher rate than Obama (and never mind it is during a virus that has killed over 160K with no end in sight)?

i think ( could be wrong) that the only time i said anything about obama and golfing, was when he did it the day an american was slaughtered by a terrorist. even then, it’s not the end of the world, doesn’t mean obama didn’t care, but the optics are bad. other than that, play all day every day, as long as you get the job done.

paul, the hypocrisy goes both ways. the dems didn’t are about obama’s golf, but care about trumps golf. that kind of idiotic hypocrisy exists on both sides.

so why not ignore that nonsense, and talk about policies and results? trump has plenty of policy failures to satisfy your desire to bash him, there’s no need to criticize him for things you would
never criticize obama over, and same goes for
me.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i think ( could be wrong) that the only time i said anything about obama and golfing, was when he did it the day an american was slaughtered by a terrorist. even then, it’s not the end of the world, doesn’t mean obama didn’t care, but the optics are bad. other than that, play all day every day, as long as you get the job done.

paul, the hypocrisy goes both ways. the dems didn’t are about obama’s golf, but care about trumps golf. that kind of idiotic hypocrisy exists on both sides.I agree there is hypocrisy on both sides but we just had 8 years of discussing the most petty things. You yourself wanted to see Obama's transcripts even though he never discussed them. Why don't you care about Trump's when he bragged he grad. at the "top" of his class yet had his lawyers threaten to sue if UPenn released his transcripts. If I grad "top" of my class, I wouldn't care if the school released them.

so why not ignore that nonsense, and talk about policies and results? trump has plenty of policy failures to satisfy your desire to bash him, there’s no need to criticize him for things you would
never criticize obama over, and same goes for
me.
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NM

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so again, what’s the maximum allowable number of rounds
of golf? once again, i bet it’s more than obama but less than trump. right?

no sane person should care if the president plays golf except during the middle of an actual emergency like an invasion. it was stupid to criticize obama for it, stupid to
criticize trump for it.
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This is the bigger issue

Secret Service has paid rates as high as $650 a night for rooms at Trump’s properties

Trump has spent a 3rd of his time in office at his properties on avg that 120 some odd days a year


Trump-branded properties charged federal government at least $1.2 million, records show


So are you ok with Trump making money off the taxpayer. Even him refusing his paycheck of 400k cant excuse his behavior

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

This is the bigger issue

Secret Service has paid rates as high as $650 a night for rooms at Trump’s properties

Trump has spent a 3rd of his time in office at his properties on avg that 120 some odd days a year


Trump-branded properties charged federal government at least $1.2 million, records show


So are you ok with Trump making money off the taxpayer. Even him refusing his paycheck of 400k cant excuse his behavior

no, i’m not ok with trump, or any elected official, using their office to steer money to themselves, friends, or families. i don’t like trump doing this. nor do i like biden’s son getting a lucrative job he’s obviously unqualified for, because of who his daddy is.

that’s the difference between us. you can only call out this behavior on the opposing side, you’re incapable of calling it out on your own side. I have no problem doing that . none.
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[Pete F.]

The "Law and Order" president breaks another law in a desperate attempt to ameliorate the disorder he caused. Look around -- when was the last time we were surrounded by this much lawlessness and chaos?