Lay Offs

[Fly Rod]

In the coming days thousands will be laid off....I wish U all well

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

In the coming days thousands will be laid off....I wish U all well

Really? Thousands?

Amusing how every time someone says this it always seems that I'm hiring.

Like right now filling another 20 jobs!

[striperman36]

I opened 15 reqs today for DoD work

[likwid]

I think he's referring to Murray Coal, the company that just lost a massive lawsuit over a mine collapse (including killing an inspector).
Same clown who made people take an unpaid day off to attend a rally.

Amazing how some people run their businesses, and no wonder they fail. Of course he's blaming the layoffs on the election of Obama, which I'm sure they'll be lining up for illegal labor practices lawsuits over.

[Jackbass]

Actually Boeing announced lay offs, there were a number of large companies announced lay offs.

Mourning in America - Here's Those Layoffs We Voted For Last Night | FreedomWorks

Not saying others aren't hiring. These are what was reported due to the cause and affect because of The election and pending tax increases etc.

Not just the evil coal guy.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

Actually Boeing announced lay offs, there were a number of large companies announced lay offs.

Boeing as a company is doing quite well. They announced layoffs in the defense group as defense spending is slowing and they need to reduce costs to maintain a competitive posture.

This has nothing to do with Obama I'm sorry to say.

It's funny, juxtapose business as usual with a few gung ho execs who think they're Sean Hannity and suddenly the sky is falling.

I'd suggest getting your business info from a good site like seekingalpha.com rather than a partisan think tank.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

It's funny, juxtapose business as usual with a few gung ho execs who think they're Sean Hannity and suddenly the sky is falling.

-spence

It's funny...you seem to have a thing for Hannity, Rush etc....the only difference between them and you is the political/idealogical turf that you defend.....and, more people are willing to listen to them banter

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

Actually Boeing announced lay offs, there were a number of large companies announced lay offs.

Mourning in America - Here's Those Layoffs We Voted For Last Night | FreedomWorks

Not saying others aren't hiring. These are what was reported due to the cause and affect because of The election and pending tax increases etc.

Not just the evil coal guy.
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The problem with that list is the fact that planning layoffs on that scale don't happen overnight. There's more reasons to lay people off than just a tax or anything else of that matter.

Welch Allyn has been planning global restructing.
Welch Allyn Initiates Global Restructuring, Including Layoffs | Qmed
Most workers if "worth it" were probably offered move or be laid off.

Dana mentioned potentially laying people off, but nothing has happened (check the PR newswires, nothing to be found about layoffs).

Stryker layoffs have been going on long before Obamacare and moving the jobs offshore.

Boston Scientific is closing its Boston location and moving it to Marlboro and China, pretty well known.

etc. etc. etc.

Darden Restaraunts, mostly part time workers, already discussed. We'll skip the Olive Garden and Red Lobster serving trash on a plate discussion.

Its easy to throw blame around when you don't bother to actually dig for relevant info.

Btw, MA legislature and coupe devall are offering tax breaks for companies that have x number of employees living in the state. I'm sure BS took that into consideration.

[Jackbass]

Didn't throw blame and I qualified the statement just posting info on who was laying off. The article stated it had to do with the election. I also said others may be hiring. I am certain the news source is right of center. If what they put out on MSNBC is taken for gospel why not this source somewhere in the middle is the whole truth
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

Didn't throw blame and I qualified the statement just posting info on who was laying off. The article stated it had to do with the election. I also said others may be hiring. I am certain the news source is right of center. If what they put out on MSNBC is taken for gospel why not this source somewhere in the middle is the whole truth
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there probably won't be any layoffs....Obama's got it all under control now

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by scottw

there probably won't be any layoffs....Obama's got it all under control now

Never doubted it for a minute
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[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

Didn't throw blame and I qualified the statement just posting info on who was laying off. The article stated it had to do with the election. I also said others may be hiring. I am certain the news source is right of center. If what they put out on MSNBC is taken for gospel why not this source somewhere in the middle is the whole truth
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I was referring to the article laying blame, but you posted it.
And no news media outlet is to be trusted, read actual press releases from companies.

Not sure how you could label that site as "somewhere in the middle" considering everyone is either an ex political aid (R) or ex politician (R).

[spence]

Funny, just Thursday morning I was presenting to the CEO and executive staff of a precision manufacturing company about how the medical device tax would end up pushing cost pressure down the supply chain.

-spence

[Fly Rod]

Lay offs will have a domino effect...not only big business...there will be carpenters..plumbers.. electricians...machinist..restaurant staff and others...U just may see unemployment up around 9% after years end

applebees has notified its workers that there will be no more 40 hr work week after the 1st of the year...will be under 30 hrs. to beat the healthcare bill...cheaper to pay the fine

[scottw]

maybe Spence should explain Obamanomics to Applebee's

[Fishpart]

Originally Posted by spence

Funny, just Thursday morning I was presenting to the CEO and executive staff of a precision manufacturing company about how the medical device tax would end up pushing cost pressure down the supply chain.

-spence

At least one of our customers have already come out in the press that they will not be openining any more facilities for the forseeable future as a result of the tax on med devices. Ultimately this will cause a loss of jobs as they improve effiency on the lines they make now and can make the same amount of product with less people. No expansion means flat labor force at best. I also forsee less med devices being needed as demand for procedures drops. (yes, in English that means as healtcare is RATIONED) This will push all the way though the supply chain in reduced demand for materials, tooling, shipping, energy, essentially no one is safe unless they are employed by government.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fishpart

At least one of our customers have already come out in the press that they will not be openining any more facilities for the forseeable future as a result of the tax on med devices. Ultimately this will cause a loss of jobs as they improve effiency on the lines they make now and can make the same amount of product with less people. No expansion means flat labor force at best. I also forsee less med devices being needed as demand for procedures drops. (yes, in English that means as healtcare is RATIONED) This will push all the way though the supply chain in reduced demand for materials, tooling, shipping, energy, essentially no one is safe unless they are employed by government.

Improved worker productivity is a fact of life, if your business isn't looking to get more from existing investments they won't be alive for long.

With the disproportionate amount of health care that seniors consume the need for medical devices would logically rise in conjunction with retiring baby boomers. The amount of innovation driven demand suggests increased R&D to take advantage of this demographic shift which is supported by industry observations.

I would agree that increased regulatory pressure will stress the supply chain as OEM's have been quick to push liabilities downstream, but this also brings opportunity for innovation which has tangental benefits to other supporting industries. Many precision manufacturing companies are doing quite well I might add.

If the med device tax is implemented suddenly I could it see it causing lost some job loss for companies who aren't managing their cash flow well. Longer term though I think there will be tremendous opportunities for those positioned to efficiently capture share in expanding markets...especially internationally.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Improved worker productivity is a fact of life, if your business isn't looking to get more from existing investments they won't be alive for long.

With the disproportionate amount of health care that seniors consume the need for medical devices would logically rise in conjunction with retiring baby boomers. The amount of innovation driven demand suggests increased R&D to take advantage of this demographic shift which is supported by industry observations.

I would agree that increased regulatory pressure will stress the supply chain as OEM's have been quick to push liabilities downstream, but this also brings opportunity for innovation which has tangental benefits to other supporting industries. Many precision manufacturing companies are doing quite well I might add.

If the med device tax is implemented suddenly I could it see it causing lost some job loss for companies who aren't managing their cash flow well. Longer term though I think there will be tremendous opportunities for those positioned to efficiently capture share in expanding markets...especially internationally.

-spence

Spence..have you ever actually owned or run a business?...because I read this from you which is little more than hypothetical musing, waxing poetic about how government intrusion and taxation will actually benefit a company and what might occur due to this or that to justify a tax that, from what I read, people that are actually running these businesses affected insist it will have a serious negative effect....as pointed out....sounds like the same crap that we heard about Solyndra and the like.....they were going to capture share in expanding markets too, need would logically rise and on and on...and the government was giving them a ton of dough and they weren't being burdened with a large excise tax....




"Even if the tax cannot be totally undone, it's hoped within the industry that some of its most onerous provisions could be changed. One goal, for example, is to exempt start-ups from the tax for a certain period of time.

That said, some of the staunchest opponents of the tax remain hopeful that it will be repealed, citing support from Democrats in the House and the Senate. Even liberal U.S. Senator-elect Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), mindful of medical device employment in Massachusetts, is opposed to the tax. Senior Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry has also expressed concern about the tax. Even if the Senate can muster enough votes to support a House-initiated repeal, it's doubtful that Congress could overcome a presidential veto.

Widespread cutbacks have already begun at some major medical device makers. Some are citing the new excise tax as the cause. Others are citing slowing demand coupled with growing pressures to reduce costs of medical devices. It will be interesting to see if jobs are reinstated if the device tax is fundamentally revised."

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this is an arbitrary tax that was dreamed up by the authors of Obamacare to try to help fund it because they felt the manufacturers were an easy target ...and you strain to explain that the companies being whacked by the tax will probably benefit .....unbelieveable

[striperman36]

Many retail stores do this already. It's no suprise that they would be kickin it down to under the minimum, I'm actually suprised they had 40 hour employees.

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Many retail stores do this already. It's no suprise that they would be kickin it down to under the minimum, I'm actually suprised they had 40 hour employees.

X2 It would be odd if they were having their managers work under 40 hours? In general retail management is a bit ridiculous on the hours
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[Raider Ronnie]

I was talking with my neighbor earlier today.
He works for one of the biggest environmental clean up companies in the country.
They are laying off 20% before Jan (thousands getting laid off)
He rattled off a list of other big national companies he knows personally doing the same and others that will be cutting hours in half to avoid paying benefits.
Scott Brown stopped by my house today also.
He was in a rush but I had a quick conversation with him.
In his own words "We are screwed"
He said the real unemployment rate is 14% and we will see it in the 20s
By the way, Scott was going around with his truck collecting signs, I'll guarantee Granny Warren would never be see doing manual labor like removing campaign signs from peoples lawns !

[scottw]

shhhhh...noone is getting laid off.....that's a myth started by Hannity and Limbaugh the porn merchant.....

Brown has lot's of free time, he should have picked up both his and Warren's signs after losing to that ___....oooops...sorry...that's Senator ___ Liawatha....wait...that's all wrong and it will no doubt inflame Paul.....Senator Kennedy in drag? funny...does she drinK???....oh no, we've already got another new Kennedy who claims he understands the middle class better than the guy that he ran against who served(s) in the Marines and has actually spent some time in the middle class.....so confusing

"my peepaw had high cheekbones like all of the indians do" or whatever she said... makes me laugh everytime I hear the cut

I'd be really happy if the Raiders won a game or two more by the end of the season


I know a lot of people at all levels of the restaurant industry and the all work many more than 40 hours a week, actually that's true for most people that I know...

part time is the new full time under Obama...they did this in France to increase employment%..limited the number of hours that you could work, the rationalization was that if you limit the number of hours for a workers by law the businesses would have to hire more workers to fill those hours...BRILLIANT@!@!!

The 35-hour working week is a measure adopted first in France, in February 2000, under Prime Minister Lionel Jospin's Plural Left government; it was pushed by Minister of Labour Martine Aubry. The previous legal duration of the working week was 39 hours, which had been established by François Mitterrand, also a member of the Socialist Party. The 35-hour working week was already in the Socialist Party's 1981 electoral program, titled 110 Propositions for France.

Rationale: The main stated objectives of the law were twofold:

To reduce unemployment and yield a better division of labor, in a context where some people work long hours while some others are unemployed. A 10.2% decrease in the hours extracted from each worker would, theoretically, require firms to hire correspondingly more workers, a remedy for unemployment.

French unemployment hits 13-year high


PARIS | Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:15am EDT

PARIS (Reuters) - France's unemployment rate rose to its highest level in 13 years in the second quarter, official data showed on Thursday, in a setback to the Socialist government, which was elected on a pledge to bring down the jobless rate.

The rise in unemployment to 10.2 percent, measured according to the International Labour Organisation's (ILO) criteria, comes as the euro zone's second-largest economy has posted three consecutive quarters of zero growth.

Many economists predict unemployment, which stood at 10.0 percent in the first three months of the year, will continue to rise as companies seek to rebuild margins.

A number of French companies have recently announced plans to layoff workers, including retailer Carrefour (CARR.PA) and car maker Peugeot (PEUP.PA).

it's currently 10.8% and appears to be rising I'm thinking mandated 28 hours per week work weeks should provide plenty of hours for those unemployed to get employed with the freed up hours from the people that are currently hogging all of the hours and remedy the situation in no time.....

[Raider Ronnie]

Scott indicated Kerry will be getting the nod for Hilary's old job since her being thrown under the bus.
Scott will be running for his seat.

Originally Posted by scottw

shhhhh...noone is getting laid off.....that's a myth started by Hannity and Limbaugh the porn merchant.....

Brown has lot's of free time, he should have picked up both his and Warren's signs after losing to that ___....oooops...sorry...that's Senator ___ Liawatha....wait...that's all wrong and it will no doubt inflame Paul.....Senator Kennedy in drag? funny...does she drinK???....oh no, we've already got another new Kennedy who claims he understands the middle class better than the guy that he ran against who served(s) in the Marines and has actually spent some time in the middle class.....so confusing

"my peepaw had high cheekbones like all of the indians do" or whatever she said... makes me laugh everytime I hear the cut

I'd be really happy if the Raiders won a game or two more by the end of the season


I know a lot of people at all levels of the restaurant industry and the all work many more than 40 hours a week, actually that's true for most people that I know...

part time is the new full time under Obama...they did this in France to increase employment%..limited the number of hours that you could work, the rationalization was that if you limit the number of hours for a workers by law the businesses would have to hire more workers to fill those hours...BRILLIANT@!@!!

The 35-hour working week is a measure adopted first in France, in February 2000, under Prime Minister Lionel Jospin's Plural Left government; it was pushed by Minister of Labour Martine Aubry. The previous legal duration of the working week was 39 hours, which had been established by François Mitterrand, also a member of the Socialist Party. The 35-hour working week was already in the Socialist Party's 1981 electoral program, titled 110 Propositions for France.

Rationale: The main stated objectives of the law were twofold:

To reduce unemployment and yield a better division of labor, in a context where some people work long hours while some others are unemployed. A 10.2% decrease in the hours extracted from each worker would, theoretically, require firms to hire correspondingly more workers, a remedy for unemployment.

French unemployment hits 13-year high


PARIS | Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:15am EDT

PARIS (Reuters) - France's unemployment rate rose to its highest level in 13 years in the second quarter, official data showed on Thursday, in a setback to the Socialist government, which was elected on a pledge to bring down the jobless rate.

The rise in unemployment to 10.2 percent, measured according to the International Labour Organisation's (ILO) criteria, comes as the euro zone's second-largest economy has posted three consecutive quarters of zero growth.

Many economists predict unemployment, which stood at 10.0 percent in the first three months of the year, will continue to rise as companies seek to rebuild margins.

A number of French companies have recently announced plans to layoff workers, including retailer Carrefour (CARR.PA) and car maker Peugeot (PEUP.PA).

it's currently 10.8% and appears to be rising I'm thinking mandated 28 hours per week work weeks should provide plenty of hours for those unemployed to get employed with the freed up hours from the people that are currently hogging all of the hours and remedy the situation in no time.....

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

By the way, Scott was going around with his truck collecting signs, I'll guarantee Granny Warren would never be see doing manual labor like removing campaign signs from peoples lawns !

You mean doing the only job he can get in MA.

Keep drinking the Liberal Cool Aid a s s holes !

Keep it classy Ronnie!

[striperman36]

He said is was running for Horseface's seat in the special election?

[ecduzitgood]

So first Scott Brown gives people the signs and then wants them back, I would expect that of Warren but not Brown.
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[striperman36]

once Coupe Deval gets the nod for AG, someone has to fill that office. Maybe Brown should think about that

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by striperman36

once Coupe Deval gets the nod for AG, someone has to fill that office. Maybe Brown should think about that

The flakey, speed demon Lt. Governor will.

[Jackbass]

That's all we need to have Canal Tim in the state house.
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[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

That's all we need to have Canal Tim in the state house.
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100 mph into the parking lot