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12-07-2021, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
there isn’t anyone of real influence on the right telling people
not to get vaccinated. there just isn’t.
but there are still a lot of unvaccinated republicans. Too many.
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Wow you are completely detached from reality.. you convince yourself Abrams insist the election was stolen , yet she clearly conceded who won and now you suggest no conservatives of real influence every said don’t get vaccinated
Seems you are out of touch where conservatives get their info and whom they consider influential
Phil Valentine, a prominent Tennessee rightwing talk radio host, had released a song called Vaxman, an anti-Covid vaccination ditty based on the Beatles track Taxman.
Marc Bernier, a host in Daytona Beach, Florida, had declared himself “Mr Anti-Vax”. #^^^^& Farrel, also from Florida, urged his listeners not to get vaccinated, and Jimmy DeYoung asked on air whether the vaccine could be a “form of government control of the people”.
All four men died in August of coronavirus. A fifth conservative radio host, Bob Enyart, died on 13 September, weeks after he told his listeners to boycott vaccines that were “immorally developed”.
Jim Jordan says 'real America is done with Covid.
Trump's White House doctor calls omicron a midterm elections trick
“Here comes the MEV - the Midterm Election Variant!” Ronny Jackson tweeted Saturday.
Seems Jim and Scott don’t do many internet searches
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...ne-poll-finds/
Republicans have consistently told pollsters they’re not planning to be vaccinated —
Tucker Members and staffers would be required to get a shot that the CDC told us today doesn’t work very well and, by the way, whose long-term effects cannot be known.” (The CDC did not say this.)
Carlson’s Facebook followers commented eagerly on the video clip, spreading unfounded fears about vaccination among themselves. “Completely disappointed in our government, don’t believe a word they speak! Will not get the shot!” one person wrote. Together, Carlson and his viewers are a placenta and embryo, gestating dangerous ideas and keeping the pandemic alive.
Republican senator was booed and catcalled when he told a party audience in South Carolina to think about getting a vaccine against Covid-19.
It was Lindsey Graham
Then you have ivermectin
Fox News host Laura Ingraham, who pitched the drug long before many in conservative media or even on Fox itself joined her.
On Dec. 1, Ingraham welcomed a doctor who had advised Trump and claimed social distancing and quarantining don’t work
Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) hosted a controversial hearing featuring, among his witnesses, two doctors who advocated for ivermectin. Johnson claimed at the hearing that the information his witnesses provided was being censored on social media.
That was kibble for conservative media. The next day, Ingraham floated a conspiracy theory that rears its head to this day: the idea that drugs like ivermectin are being suppressed as coronavirus treatments because they are too cheap — or even that they would jeopardize the emergency approvals of the vaccines.
NPR looked at deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which vaccinations widely became available. People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
Statistics don’t lie
Inside the growing alliance between anti-vaccine activists and pro-Trump Republicans
There are examples after examples of why Republicans won’t get vaccinated..
59 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say that believing Trump won the 2020 election is "important" to being a Republican
These are the same core supporters who are more than likely to be against vaccines… and it’s not based in any factual reality..
Yet Jim’s introduced Race with what about blacks
When honestly the topic is about Republicans ( some whom are actually black or have a PHD or both). In an effort to defend a party that no longer exist as it once did
So here’s a question to anyone
If there isn’t anyone of real influence on the right telling people
not to get vaccinated.
Then who what or where is this moment rooted ?
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12-07-2021, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Wow you are completely detached from reality.. you convince yourself Abrams insist the election was stolen , yet she clearly conceded who won and now you suggest no conservatives of real influence every said don’t get vaccinated
Seems you are out of touch where conservatives get their info and whom they consider influential
Phil Valentine, a prominent Tennessee rightwing talk radio host, had released a song called Vaxman, an anti-Covid vaccination ditty based on the Beatles track Taxman.
Marc Bernier, a host in Daytona Beach, Florida, had declared himself “Mr Anti-Vax”. #^^^^& Farrel, also from Florida, urged his listeners not to get vaccinated, and Jimmy DeYoung asked on air whether the vaccine could be a “form of government control of the people”.
All four men died in August of coronavirus. A fifth conservative radio host, Bob Enyart, died on 13 September, weeks after he told his listeners to boycott vaccines that were “immorally developed”.
Jim Jordan says 'real America is done with Covid.
Trump's White House doctor calls omicron a midterm elections trick
“Here comes the MEV - the Midterm Election Variant!” Ronny Jackson tweeted Saturday.
Seems Jim and Scott don’t do many internet searches
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...ne-poll-finds/
Republicans have consistently told pollsters they’re not planning to be vaccinated —
Tucker Members and staffers would be required to get a shot that the CDC told us today doesn’t work very well and, by the way, whose long-term effects cannot be known.” (The CDC did not say this.)
Carlson’s Facebook followers commented eagerly on the video clip, spreading unfounded fears about vaccination among themselves. “Completely disappointed in our government, don’t believe a word they speak! Will not get the shot!” one person wrote. Together, Carlson and his viewers are a placenta and embryo, gestating dangerous ideas and keeping the pandemic alive.
Republican senator was booed and catcalled when he told a party audience in South Carolina to think about getting a vaccine against Covid-19.
It was Lindsey Graham
Then you have ivermectin
Fox News host Laura Ingraham, who pitched the drug long before many in conservative media or even on Fox itself joined her.
On Dec. 1, Ingraham welcomed a doctor who had advised Trump and claimed social distancing and quarantining don’t work
Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) hosted a controversial hearing featuring, among his witnesses, two doctors who advocated for ivermectin. Johnson claimed at the hearing that the information his witnesses provided was being censored on social media.
That was kibble for conservative media. The next day, Ingraham floated a conspiracy theory that rears its head to this day: the idea that drugs like ivermectin are being suppressed as coronavirus treatments because they are too cheap — or even that they would jeopardize the emergency approvals of the vaccines.
NPR looked at deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which vaccinations widely became available. People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
Statistics don’t lie
Inside the growing alliance between anti-vaccine activists and pro-Trump Republicans
There are examples after examples of why Republicans won’t get vaccinated..
59 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say that believing Trump won the 2020 election is "important" to being a Republican
These are the same core supporters who are more than likely to be against vaccines… and it’s not based in any factual reality..
Yet Jim’s introduced Race with what about blacks
When honestly the topic is about Republicans ( some whom are actually black or have a PHD or both). In an effort to defend a party that no longer exist as it once did
So here’s a question to anyone
If there isn’t anyone of real influence on the right telling people
not to get vaccinated.
Then who what or where is this moment rooted ?
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Add Scott and Trumps idiot son in a recent conference states republicans just want to be left alone. I have no doubt the percentage of republicans believing Trump won are closely aligned with vaccine hesitancy.
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12-07-2021, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Wow you are completely detached from reality.. you convince yourself Abrams insist the election was stolen , yet she clearly conceded who won and now you suggest no conservatives of real influence every said don’t get vaccinated
Seems you are out of touch where conservatives get their info and whom they consider influential
Phil Valentine, a prominent Tennessee rightwing talk radio host, had released a song called Vaxman, an anti-Covid vaccination ditty based on the Beatles track Taxman.
Marc Bernier, a host in Daytona Beach, Florida, had declared himself “Mr Anti-Vax”. #^^^^& Farrel, also from Florida, urged his listeners not to get vaccinated, and Jimmy DeYoung asked on air whether the vaccine could be a “form of government control of the people”.
All four men died in August of coronavirus. A fifth conservative radio host, Bob Enyart, died on 13 September, weeks after he told his listeners to boycott vaccines that were “immorally developed”.
Jim Jordan says 'real America is done with Covid.
Trump's White House doctor calls omicron a midterm elections trick
“Here comes the MEV - the Midterm Election Variant!” Ronny Jackson tweeted Saturday.
Seems Jim and Scott don’t do many internet searches
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...ne-poll-finds/
Republicans have consistently told pollsters they’re not planning to be vaccinated —
Tucker Members and staffers would be required to get a shot that the CDC told us today doesn’t work very well and, by the way, whose long-term effects cannot be known.” (The CDC did not say this.)
Carlson’s Facebook followers commented eagerly on the video clip, spreading unfounded fears about vaccination among themselves. “Completely disappointed in our government, don’t believe a word they speak! Will not get the shot!” one person wrote. Together, Carlson and his viewers are a placenta and embryo, gestating dangerous ideas and keeping the pandemic alive.
Republican senator was booed and catcalled when he told a party audience in South Carolina to think about getting a vaccine against Covid-19.
It was Lindsey Graham
Then you have ivermectin
Fox News host Laura Ingraham, who pitched the drug long before many in conservative media or even on Fox itself joined her.
On Dec. 1, Ingraham welcomed a doctor who had advised Trump and claimed social distancing and quarantining don’t work
Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) hosted a controversial hearing featuring, among his witnesses, two doctors who advocated for ivermectin. Johnson claimed at the hearing that the information his witnesses provided was being censored on social media.
That was kibble for conservative media. The next day, Ingraham floated a conspiracy theory that rears its head to this day: the idea that drugs like ivermectin are being suppressed as coronavirus treatments because they are too cheap — or even that they would jeopardize the emergency approvals of the vaccines.
NPR looked at deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which vaccinations widely became available. People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
Statistics don’t lie
Inside the growing alliance between anti-vaccine activists and pro-Trump Republicans
There are examples after examples of why Republicans won’t get vaccinated..
59 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say that believing Trump won the 2020 election is "important" to being a Republican
These are the same core supporters who are more than likely to be against vaccines… and it’s not based in any factual reality..
Yet Jim’s introduced Race with what about blacks
When honestly the topic is about Republicans ( some whom are actually black or have a PHD or both). In an effort to defend a party that no longer exist as it once did
So here’s a question to anyone
If there isn’t anyone of real influence on the right telling people
not to get vaccinated.
Then who what or where is this moment rooted ?
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"Yet Jim’s introduced Race with what about blacks
When honestly the topic is about Republicans "
If blacks have the very lowest vaccination rate, I wonder why that's not an issue for you? Why don't you care about that?
I sit because you only care about blacks when there's political benefit to caring?
As I said, it's very very telling that none of you will touch that with a ten foot pole.
You go on and on and on about how stupid it is for large Republicans to not be vaccinated (and I agree with that). But when I bring up similarly low vaccination rates among a group that your side claims to care bout, you can't change the subject fast enough.
"Phil Valentine, a prominent Tennessee rightwing talk radio host"
Neither you nor I have ever heard of him. What happened to the podcaster birch tree?
"Marc Bernier, a host in Daytona Beach, Florida, had declared himself “Mr Anti-Vax”. #^^^^& Farrel, also from Florida, urged his listeners not to get vaccinated, and Jimmy DeYoung asked on air whether "
Neither you nor I have ever heard of them.
WDMSO, you want to prove that there are nutjobs out there, I concede that. But they have no influence. And they exist on both sides.
Who are blacks listening to? I'm sincerely curious. You are terrified of discussing that.
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12-07-2021, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"Yet Jim’s introduced Race with what about blacks
When honestly the topic is about Republicans "
If blacks have the very lowest vaccination rate, I wonder why that's not an issue for you? Why don't you care about that?
I sit because you only care about blacks when there's political benefit to caring?
As I said, it's very very telling that none of you will touch that with a ten foot pole.
You go on and on and on about how stupid it is for large Republicans to not be vaccinated (and I agree with that). But when I bring up similarly low vaccination rates among a group that your side claims to care bout, you can't change the subject fast enough.
"Phil Valentine, a prominent Tennessee rightwing talk radio host"
Neither you nor I have ever heard of him. What happened to the podcaster birch tree?
"Marc Bernier, a host in Daytona Beach, Florida, had declared himself “Mr Anti-Vax”. #^^^^& Farrel, also from Florida, urged his listeners not to get vaccinated, and Jimmy DeYoung asked on air whether "
Neither you nor I have ever heard of them.
WDMSO, you want to prove that there are nutjobs out there, I concede that. But they have no influence. And they exist on both sides.
Who are blacks listening to? I'm sincerely curious. You are terrified of discussing that.
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Jim unless your in the group of anti vaccination we all should be concerned about any population that refuses to get vaccinated. Unlike the far right Trump still is president republicans who won’t get the shot due to miss information, do you think the black experience with government and testing might have something to do with it. Put yourself in an older black mans shoes with the horrific history his eyes have witnessed and listen to the stories of what has happened to his community at the hands of the government and maybe you have your answer. Or they are just dumb arse republicans.
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12-07-2021, 09:26 AM
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Jim unless your in the group of
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I knew it couldn't last....
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12-07-2021, 09:28 AM
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do you think the black experience with government and testing might have something to do with it. Put yourself in an older black mans shoes with the horrific history his eyes have witnessed and listen to the stories of what has happened to his community at the hands of the government and maybe you have your answer. Or they are just dumb arse republicans.
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I have no idea. I just wish their numbers were higher.
But you offered a realistic, logical reason that might be behind it.
"Or they are just dumb arse republicans"
or that.
was it the republicans or the democrats, who held andrew cuomo up as the “gold standard” of managing covid, when he forced nursing homes to admit residents who tested positive for a disease which we all knew would target the elderly?
the government, all government on both sides, performed poorly with covid.
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12-07-2021, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
Jim unless your in the group of anti vaccination we all should be concerned about any population that refuses to get vaccinated.
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I'm vaccinated, I don't care if someone else is vaccinated or not, I work with people who aren't vaccinated, I don't feel threatened by them, I don't give them dirty looks or criticize them either to their faces or behind their backs because they aren't vaccinated, I don't think they are stupid, they are actually very smart and informed and have made a personal choice...
but carry on vax nazi....
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12-07-2021, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"Yet Jim’s introduced Race with what about blacks
When honestly the topic is about Republicans "
If blacks have the very lowest vaccination rate, I wonder why that's not an issue for you? Why don't you care about that?
topic is about Republicans "
I sit because you only care about blacks when there's political benefit to caring? AGAIN NOT THE TOPIC
As I said, it's very very telling that none of you will touch that with a ten foot pole. AGAIN NOT THE TOPIC JUST YOU TRYING TO DEFLECT FROM THE TOPIC
You go on and on and on about how stupid it is for large Republicans to not be vaccinated (and I agree with that). But when I bring up similarly low vaccination rates among a group that your side claims to care bout, you can't change the subject fast enough.
AGAIN NOT THE TOPIC BUT KEEP TRYING
"Phil Valentine, a prominent Tennessee rightwing talk radio host"
Neither you nor I have ever heard of him. What happened to the podcaster birch tree?
"Marc Bernier, a host in Daytona Beach, Florida, had declared himself “Mr Anti-Vax”. #^^^^& Farrel, also from Florida, urged his listeners not to get vaccinated, and Jimmy DeYoung asked on air whether "
Neither you nor I have ever heard of them.
SO BECAUSE YOU NEVER HEARD OF THEM THEY ARE NOT INFLUENTIAL REPUBLICANS ? IS THAT YOUR SUGGESTION
WDMSO, you want to prove that there are nutjobs out there, I concede that. But they have no influence. And they exist on both sides.
AGAIN THE BOTH SIDES ARGUMENT
Who are blacks listening to? I'm sincerely curious. You are terrified of discussing that.
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AND AGAIN NOT THE TOPIC BUT YOU KEEP TRYING
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12-07-2021, 10:12 AM
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AND AGAIN NOT THE TOPIC BUT YOU KEEP TRYING
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all you can say is “not the topic”.
wdmso: republicans have low vaccination rates, they are stupid and they are the problem.
jim: blacks have very low vaccination rates.
wdmso: (sticks fingers in his ears), “that’s not the topic!!! la la la la la!!!”
you can only admit, process, and discuss topics which serve your agenda.
“Stacey Abrams never said her election was stolen. And besides, even if she did say it, she’s right it was stolen, and you’re a racist for questioning her. And no one in Georgia believes it was stolen, even though Abrams and I both believe it. “. Your words Wayne.
The first topic for you, should be electric shock therapy.
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12-07-2021, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
all you can say is “not the topic”.
wdmso: republicans have low vaccination rates, they are stupid and they are the problem.
jim: blacks have very low vaccination rates.
wdmso: (sticks fingers in his ears), “that’s not the topic!!! la la la la la!!!”
you can only admit, process, and discuss topics which serve your agenda.
“Stacey Abrams never said her election was stolen. And besides, even if she did say it, she’s right it was stolen, and you’re a racist for questioning her. And no one in Georgia believes it was stolen, even though Abrams and I both believe it. “. Your words Wayne.
The first topic for you, should be electric shock therapy.
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THE TOPIC IS REPUBLICAN LOVE AFFAIR WITH MISINFORMATION
JIMS RESPONSE WHAT LOVE AFFAIR WITH MISINFORMATION AND WHAT ABOUT THOSE BLACKS
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12-07-2021, 10:27 AM
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THE TOPIC IS REPUBLICAN LOVE AFFAIR WITH MISINFORMATION
JIMS RESPONSE WHAT LOVE AFFAIR WITH MISINFORMATION AND WHAT ABOUT THOSE BLACKS
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with the vaccines, republicans have a serious issue with truth, you’re right.
but blacks appear to have the same issue. you can’t agree with that ( even though you said statistics don’t lie 5 minutes ago), because it doesn’t help you politically.
Using capital letters, doesn’t make up for having a losing position.
you’re saying that i’m in denial that the gop has stupidly low vaccination rates. i never denied that, never came close to denying that, i agree with you 100%. again i’m not sure you know how to read.
you’re responding to an argument that i’m not making.
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12-07-2021, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
with the vaccines, republicans have a serious issue with truth, you’re right.
but blacks appear to have the same issue. you can’t agree with that ( even though you said statistics don’t lie 5 minutes ago), because it doesn’t help you politically.
Using capital letters, doesn’t make up for having a losing position.
you’re saying that i’m in denial that the gop has stupidly low vaccination rates. i never denied that, never came close to denying that, i agree with you 100%. again i’m not sure you know how to read.
you’re responding to an argument that i’m not making.
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Caps were on I was just to lazy to change them.. sorry
your not making any argument that’s obvious . Hence the suggestion your denial of the Topic
Republicans have a problem with the Truth ? Took how many pages to make that statement
FYI blacks have low vaccines rates but for complete different reasons this is where we and the data differ
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12-07-2021, 09:25 AM
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Wow you are completely detached from reality..
Seems you are out of touch where conservatives get their info
Phil Valentine,
Marc Bernier,
#^^^^& Farrel,
Jimmy DeYoung
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whotf??????
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12-07-2021, 09:27 AM
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Statistics don’t lie
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From the guy who says the reason why 64% of blacks aren't vaccinated, is because they're republicans. You're saying almost two-thirds of blacks are republicans.
You also are denying that Stacey Abrams said her election was stolen, after I posted vide of her saying precisely that.
And you accuse others of willfully ignoring truth.
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12-07-2021, 10:13 AM
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From the guy who says the reason why 64% of blacks aren't vaccinated, JIM PLEASE POST SOME EVIDENCE FOR YOUR CLAIM YOUR MAKING THINGS UP AGAIN is because they're republicans. You're saying almost two-thirds of blacks are republicans.
You also are denying that Stacey Abrams said her election was stolen, after I posted vide of her saying precisely that.
AGAIN YOU PASS OVER THE CONTEX OF THE STATEMENT AND HER CONCEDING THAT KEMP WON , SO AS TO SUGGEST SHES THE SAME AS TRUMP
And you accuse others of willfully ignoring truth.
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NO JIM YOU TRY TO MANUFACTURE THE TRUTH WITH A SINGLE SOUND BYTE THATS WHAT INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST LOOKS LIKE
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