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Old 12-09-2015, 04:53 PM   #1
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History tells us that most conflict is religious based,so eliminating religion and the need for it seems like a peaceful initiative. Seems like a start at least.
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Old 12-09-2015, 04:57 PM   #2
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got any facts to back that up?
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Old 12-09-2015, 05:00 PM   #3
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-...b_1400766.html


"History simply does not support the hypothesis that religion is the major cause of conflict. The wars of the ancient world were rarely, if ever, based on religion. These wars were for territorial conquest, to control borders, secure trade routes, or respond to an internal challenge to political authority. In fact, the ancient conquerors, whether Egyptian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, or Roman, openly welcomed the religious beliefs of those they conquered, and often added the new gods to their own pantheon.

Medieval and Renaissance wars were also typically about control and wealth as city-states vied for power, often with the support, but rarely instigation, of the Church. And the Mongol Asian rampage, which is thought to have killed nearly 30 million people, had no religious component whatsoever.

Most modern wars, including the Napoleonic Campaign, the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the American Civil War, World War I, the Russia Revolution, World War II, and the conflicts in Korea and Vietnam, were not religious in nature or cause. While religious groups have been specifically targeted (most notably in World War II), to claim that religion was the cause is to blame the victim and to misunderstand the perpetrators' motives, which were nationalistic and ethnic, not religious.

Similarly, the vast numbers of genocides (those killed in ethic cleanses, purges, etc. that are not connected to a declared war) are not based on religion. It's estimated that over 160 million civilians were killed in genocides in the 20th century alone, with nearly 100 million killed by the Communist states of USSR and China. While some claim that Communism itself is a "state religion" -- because it has an absolute dictator whose word is law and a "holy book" of unchallenged rules -- such a claim simply equates "religion" with the human desire for power, conformance, and control, making any distinctions with other human institutions meaningless."
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Old 12-09-2015, 05:19 PM   #4
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Similarly, the vast numbers of genocides (those killed in ethic cleanses, purges, etc. that are not connected to a declared war) are not based on religion. It's estimated that over 160 million civilians were killed in genocides in the 20th century alone, with nearly 100 million killed by the Communist states of USSR and China. While some claim that Communism itself is a "state religion" -- because it has an absolute dictator whose word is law and a "holy book" of unchallenged rules -- such a claim simply equates "religion" with the human desire for power, conformance, and control, making any distinctions with other human institutions meaningless."
Sell that #^&#^&#^&#^& to the 2.5 million christian Armenians slaughtered by the islamic Ottoman Turks.You'll get nothing from that sale other than the "Are you out of your mind?" look.
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Old 12-10-2015, 06:07 AM   #5
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Sell that #^&#^&#^&#^& to the 2.5 million christian Armenians slaughtered by the islamic Ottoman Turks.You'll get nothing from that sale other than the "Are you out of your mind?" look.
read the article....your first post sounded like a lunatic fanatical rant ...
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read the article....your first post sounded like a lunatic fanatical rant ...
I read the article.How is my 1st post(aka the truth) a lunatic fanatical rant?Organized religion IS the #1 cause of all terror,death and destruction on this planet.

Belief in crap that no human on this planet can prove is real is getting thousands killed on a daily basis.

2.5 MILLIONArmenians were exterminated between 1915-1917 because of religion...this cannot be denied.And I sure as hell won't let you or anyone else deny or forget that,I owe my grandparents that to say the least.

Organized religion is destroying humanity.Again why is believing in god not enough?Why do we need 1000 different religions with their own set of rules to govern our lives?
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I read the article.How is my 1st post(aka the truth) a lunatic fanatical rant?Organized religion IS the #1 cause of all terror,death and destruction on this planet.
you are kidding right?
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got any facts to back that up?
Are you serious?
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