Paul Pelosi attack

[Pete F.]

Does Jim have sex with goats?
I’m not saying he does!
I’m just asking.
Maybe Jim can give us definitive proof that he’s not a goat f’er who huffs nitrous and shouts “mommy” while he’s f’n goats.
I’m just asking questions, maybe Tucker can look into this or is he also part of the goat cabal?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Does Jim have sex with goats?
I’m not saying he does!
I’m just asking.
Maybe Jim can give us definitive proof that he’s not a goat f’er who huffs nitrous and shouts “mommy” while he’s f’n goats.
I’m just asking questions, maybe Tucker can look into this or is he also part of the goat cabal?
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Pete. That’s a way below the belt and uncalled for you should delete it
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Pete. That’s a way below the belt and uncalled for you should delete it
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sincerely appreciated, but not necessary. his post doesn’t say anything about me, but says everything about him. and your response says everything about you, and that’s a sincere compliment. because i wasn’t always as courteous to you ( god knows) as i could have been, which makes your response even better.

have a great new year to you and your family wayne!

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

sincerely appreciated, but not necessary. his post doesn’t say anything about me, but says everything about him. and your response says everything about you, and that’s a sincere compliment. because i wasn’t always as courteous to you ( god knows) as i could have been, which makes your response even better.

have a great new year to you and your family wayne!

It is necessary. Wrong is wrong. I don’t mind having spirited arguments but I really don’t like going down the road of throwing insults like playing tennis.

I’ve never found anyone here not to be courteous it’s just sometimes the meaning of the message gets confused like in a text message Sometimes it’s hard to read peoples intent. Hell even my kids sometimes say I talk like a fortune cookie. And my writing is far worse.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by wdmso

It is necessary. Wrong is wrong. I don’t mind having spirited arguments but I really don’t like going down the road of throwing insults like playing tennis.

I’ve never found anyone here not to be courteous it’s just sometimes the meaning of the message gets confused like in a text message Sometimes it’s hard to read peoples intent. Hell even my kids sometimes say I talk like a fortune cookie. And my writing is far worse.
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I disagree
Jim consistently repeats unfounded accusations, with no basis in fact.

The Pelosi thing has been rebutted by everyone involved, it’s every bit as true as what I posted.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Pete. That’s a way below the belt and uncalled for you should delete it
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“That may well not be the case, but it’s a logical conclusion.”

“And I don't care if Paul Pelosi is gay, or if he was attacked by a random intruder. But the left chose to make this a political weapon, so we have the right to know the truth. All we need to do, is see the bodycam video. Obviously, those in control, don't want that bodycam video released. If the bodycam video showed the attacker beating Mr Pelosi while yelling "Trump paid me to do it!", obviously we'd have seen it. The logical conclusion is that we haven't seen the video, because those in charge don't like whats on there. That may well not be the case, but And I don't care if Paul Pelosi is gay, or if he was attacked by a random intruder. But the left chose to make this a political weapon, so we have the right to know the truth. All we need to do, is see the bodycam video. Obviously, those in control, don't want that bodycam video released. If the bodycam video showed the attacker beating Mr Pelosi while yelling "Trump paid me to do it!", obviously we'd have seen it. The logical conclusion is that we haven't seen the video, because those in charge don't like whats on there. That may well not be the case, but it's a logical conclusion.”
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[wdmso]

I don't consider homosexual to be derogatory. Why should it be, if its just a harmless matter of sexual choice?

See Jim that’s the problem it’s not about what you consider to be derogatory or offensive.

whether it’s derogatory or not, can only be decided by the person it’s being used against or towards

Not the speaker determination, that it’s not derogatory

I’ll give you an example my wife was trying to remember a girl she worked with temporarily on the floor with the oncoming nurse who’s black she couldn’t remember the girls name but she knew the girl was black but my wife referred to her as colored .

And the black nurse who is relieving her tore, her new one for using the term colored, basically telling her refer to her is black it’s offensive the color colored

If my wife’s mistake was unconscious one, and a lesson was learned

but there are people who use terms to incite intimidate, or embarrass others. It happened here a few days ago.

forced to bake queers cakes.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I don't consider homosexual to be derogatory. Why should it be, if its just a harmless matter of sexual choice?

See Jim that’s the problem it’s not about what you consider to be derogatory or offensive.

whether it’s derogatory or not, can only be decided by the person it’s being used against or towards

Not the speaker determination, that it’s not derogatory

I’ll give you an example my wife was trying to remember a girl she worked with temporarily on the floor with the oncoming nurse who’s black she couldn’t remember the girls name but she knew the girl was black but my wife referred to her as colored .

And the black nurse who is relieving her tore, her new one for using the term colored, basically telling her refer to her is black it’s offensive the color colored

If my wife’s mistake was unconscious one, and a lesson was learned

but there are people who use terms to incite intimidate, or embarrass others. It happened here a few days ago.

forced to bake queers cakes.
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We know you don't consider homosexuality to be derogatory. I also don't consider homosexual to be derogatory (I was in favor of gay marriage when Obama was against it, Hilary was against it, and when the state of CA of all places voted against it). But the left has also used Lindsay Graham's rumored homosexuality as a club against him repeatedly. I didn't use anyones sexuality against them. In a poorly worded joke, I accused Paul of doing that, even though I also know he didn't mean it that way.

Very funny what you say about "colored". I have a white coworker who found someone else's car keys in our office kitchen, and he knew that a black woman had just been in there. He gave the keys to the secretary, and said "I think that colored girl left these in the break room".

The guy was obviously just trying to help. He's an older guy, in his late 60's, and that was the terminology he grew up with. They made him go to sensitivity training, poor guy.

Not everyone has skin as thick as yours is!

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I don't consider homosexual to be derogatory. Why should it be, if its just a harmless matter of sexual choice?

See Jim that’s the problem it’s not about what you consider to be derogatory or offensive.

whether it’s derogatory or not, can only be decided by the person it’s being used against or towards

Not the speaker determination, that it’s not derogatory

I’ll give you an example my wife was trying to remember a girl she worked with temporarily on the floor with the oncoming nurse who’s black she couldn’t remember the girls name but she knew the girl was black but my wife referred to her as colored .

And the black nurse who is relieving her tore, her new one for using the term colored, basically telling her refer to her is black it’s offensive the color colored

If my wife’s mistake was unconscious one, and a lesson was learned

but there are people who use terms to incite intimidate, or embarrass others. It happened here a few days ago.

forced to bake queers cakes.
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The black nurse didn't have to tear your wife a new one unless she was consumed by a racial grievance that could only be relieved by striking out at someone she considered to be the cause, or part of the cause, of that grievance. The "lesson" I would have learned from such abusive behavior is that the black nurse had unresolved issues and that I would be better off not having many personal conversations with her for fear of inadvertently saying something "wrong." She could have politely told your wife that saying "colored" is offensive to her and please say black, if you don't mind. What any Blacks, Negros, Coloreds, Afro-Americans, personally wish to be called, is not that definitive or constant from time to time. To say that only they can decide what is derogatory is denying anyone else a use of language they don't personally consider derogatory. This is especially true if there is no standardized usage that for everyone is purely descriptive. When people take umbrage at words like "homosexual" or heterosexual or bisexual or asexual which have no inherent derogatory connotations and then decide to replace them with their own words, like "gay," they are insulting not only a language, but all of those who have used, and wish to use, that word to describe their own experiences--language is seized by a select few at the discouragement of anyone else from its appropriate use. That's a form of insult that is probably intended.

I still don't know what is the preferred or "correct" diction, Black or Afro-American. Black seems to be the choice of the day. But "people of color" in certain instances is quite OK--and very "inclusive" and a sort of self-satisfying jab/insult to "whites" who are excluded from the implicitly better group.

BTW, I've noticed that your writing has improved a lot, maybe from your daily back and forth on the forum. Still a ways to go. But keep it up, you'll eventually show your kids that you can do better than "fortune cookie" talk.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The black nurse didn't have to tear your wife a new one unless she was consumed by a racial grievance that could only be relieved by striking out at someone she considered to be the cause, or part of the cause, of that grievance. The "lesson" I would have learned from such abusive behavior is that the black nurse had unresolved issues and that I would be better off not having many personal conversations with her for fear of inadvertently saying something "wrong." She could have politely told your wife that saying "colored" is offensive to her and please say black, if you don't mind. What any Blacks, Negros, Coloreds, Afro-Americans, personally wish to be called, is not that definitive or constant from time to time. To say that only they can decide what is derogatory is denying anyone else a use of language they don't personally consider derogatory. This is especially true if there is no standardized usage that for everyone is purely descriptive. When people take umbrage at words like "homosexual" or heterosexual or bisexual or asexual which have no inherent derogatory connotations and then decide to replace them with their own words, like "gay," they are insulting not only a language, but all of those who have used, and wish to use, that word to describe their own experiences--language is seized by a select few at the discouragement of anyone else from its appropriate use. That's a form of insult that is probably intended.

I still don't know what is the preferred or "correct" diction, Black or Afro-American. Black seems to be the choice of the day. But "people of color" in certain instances is quite OK--and very "inclusive" and a sort of self-satisfying jab/insult to "whites" who are excluded from the implicitly better group.

BTW, I've noticed that your writing has improved a lot, maybe from your daily back and forth on the forum. Still a ways to go. But keep it up, you'll eventually show your kids that you can do better than "fortune cookie" talk.

unless she was consumed by a racial grievance

You act as if they got in a fight, and she wrote my wife up to HR

It’s not my or my wife’s place to criticize her response we’re not Black and no nothing of her past

If she called my wife a cracker and my wife tore her a new one I don’t think it would be because she was consumed by a racial grievance

But their are many who are absolutely driven by and consumed by a racial grievance. Just not this story
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

unless she was consumed by a racial grievance

You act as if they got in a fight, and she wrote my wife up to HR

Not at all. I never mentioned a fight nor HR. I responded to your " tore, her new one" which The Free Dictionary defines as "To criticize, berate, or upbraid one in an extremely belligerent and angry manner." I don't think that behavior was called for. As I said, she could have politely told your wife that the term she used was offensive to her and would prefer that she used "Black" instead. Her unjustifiably rude behavior indicates, at least to me, she had a grievance about what word your wife spoke, and since it was about a racial term, that the grievance was racial. Simply using an "incorrect" word is not a cause for belligerent anger.

It’s not my or my wife’s place to criticize her response we’re not Black and no nothing of her past

As a third party reading what you describe as criticizing your wife in a belligerent and angry manner, it's not out of the realm of my opinion to criticize the Black Nurse's belligerent criticism of your wife.

If she called my wife a cracker and my wife tore her a new one I don’t think it would be because she was consumed by a racial grievance

Perhaps your wife could have politely asked why she called her a cracker. Or she could be unnecessarily nasty and just tear her a new one . . . because . . . I don't know . . . if "cracker" is merely another word for "white" I can't conceive of any reason for your wife to be belligerent unless she had some kind of anger issue that rises to the surface when being called a cracker.


But their are many who are absolutely driven by and consumed by a racial grievance. Just not this story

If it rises to belligerent anger when being referred to as anything other than "Black" (even though some pigment of "Brown" would be more accurate), to me, something more than diction is going on and it certainly seems to be about race.

If I'm not mistaken, being "Black" is a pride thing. A racial pride. being referred to as vaguely "colored" can be perceived as an attack on racial purity, or as akin to being considered some mongrelized person of no distinct, proud, heritage or lineage. Being referred to as "brown" lumps one into the vast array of brown toned people--like the "People of color" moniker that is used as a somewhat useful and somewhat prideful collective distinction from the also vast array of "white" people.

The "Pride" distinctions are not very useful. On the contrary, they're needlessly divisive. On the other hand, if for various actual practical reasons someone's skin tone needs to be described--OK . . . but pride in skin tone--not so good.

I think your wife's intent in saying "colored" was, on the margins of describing someone in discussion, a practical, though perhaps clumsy, use of diction. It certainly didn't call for her being torn a new one.

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Queue all the video of republicans making fun of him.

[Pete F.]

We get to see an 80-year-old man get bludgeoned with a hammer (inc. his blood pooling on the floor) because our "politics" are so toxic that a judge (siding with news organizations) determined it was necessary to stop disinformation.

Notice what happened

They weren't "just asking questions."

They were spreading cruel and defamatory falsehoods against an almost fatally wounded man and his grieving family.

Then when the definitive rebuttal appears, they vanish - to repeat the same mean-spirited trick again and again.

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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We get to see an 80-year-old man get bludgeoned with a hammer (inc. his blood pooling on the floor) because our "politics" are so toxic that a judge (siding with news organizations) determined it was necessary to stop disinformation.

Notice what happened

They weren't "just asking questions."

They were spreading cruel and defamatory falsehoods against an almost fatally wounded man and his grieving family.

Then when the definitive rebuttal appears, they vanish - to repeat the same mean-spirited trick again and again.

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Pathetic, But many in the GOP are in the party of trump - a vile, cheap, dishonest bully of a man
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[wdmso]

Sadly the Truth won’t set the GOPQ horde Free their parasites. Like fleas they’ll just go jump to new conspiracy
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[Got Stripers]

The “law and order” party or at least a fair number were making fun of the attack and many questioning if it even went down the way it was reported.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

The “law and order” party or at least a fair number were making fun of the attack and many questioning if it even went down the way it was reported.

it was reported multiple ways by NBC Bob. not foxnews, NBC. video and 911 call are strange in ways but looks more like an intruder than a tryst gone bad.

[wdmso]

Yep right wingers still can’t let it go the fleas jumped now it’s

Body-Cam Footage Confirms Paul Pelosi Opened Door for Police, Contradicts DOJ Account

If you watch the body camera film clearly shows Pelosi didn’t open the door

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it was reported multiple ways by NBC Bob. not foxnews, NBC. video and 911 call are strange in ways but looks more like an intruder than a tryst gone bad.

No they didn’t. It was a local affiliate who promptly retracted the reporting when they realized it didn’t have a credible source. Quit making things up.

I dealt with a home invasion four years ago, trust me it is surreal. I wish I had a recording of that call to the police.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No they didn’t. It was a local affiliate who promptly retracted the reporting when they realized it didn’t have a credible source. Quit making things up.

I dealt with a home invasion four years ago, trust me it is surreal. I wish I had a recording of that call to the police.

a local affiliate of which network? NBC. NBC national disappeared a guy who posted something similar without giving any details, it was strange.

we now know. it’s over. should have released this on day one. hope pelosi recovers and this attacker gets exactly what’s coming to him.

i don’t understand how there’s no security, even when she’s in DC or in the other side of the globe. makes zero sense.

[wdmso]

This from MarjorieTaylorGreene who’s now on the homeland Security Committee?

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.): “… Paul Pelosi’s friend attacking him with a hammer.”

Other GOP elected officials

Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.): “That moment you realize the nudist hippie male prostitute LSD guy was the reason your husband didn’t make it to your fundraiser.” (Deleted.)

Rep. Claudia Tenney (R-N.Y.): Shared a photo of a group of young men holding oversized hammers next to a gay pride flag and added, “LOL.” (Deleted.)







Conservatives media

That the attack was a false flag/didn’t happen
OAN: “This whole thing could be a false flag of sorts, staged if you will. I mean, the midterms are just weeks away and the Dems know they’re going to get hammered.”
OAN: “I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s hidden from public spotlight for a very long time. Just long enough for his injuries — his injuries, purported injuries — to go away.”

Fox News host Jesse Watters: “Now, there was glass broken at the rear door. We’ve seen those photos. But there looks like there’s glass on both sides, inside and out, and FBI sources are telling ‘Primetime’ that’s odd.”

Conservatives darling

Elon Musk, while linking to a website that labeled the attack “a dispute with a male prostitute”: “There is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye.” (Musk deleted the tweet.)

Dinesh D’Souza: “Why was the assailant in his underpants?” (He wasn’t; this notion was based on reporting that was corrected shortly after it was published, two days before D’Souza’s comments.) “My conclusion? This guy, the assailant, is either a sexual partner or a male prostitute, and this is a sexual rendezvous that went sideways.”


Again it’s all in black and white or in audio recordings and the Right wing machine knows their viewers want lies not facts they want name calling and jerry springer outlandish statements and suggestions

Yep both sides do it.. lol
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[wdmso]

From the Seattle times.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Now do the Jussie Smolette incident
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Now do the Jussie Smolette incident
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and kyle rittenhouse, and NicK Sandman, and Duke lacrosse, and darren wilson…throw tawana brawley in there…but only one side does this.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and kyle rittenhouse, and NicK Sandman, and Duke lacrosse, and darren wilson…throw tawana brawley in there…but only one side does this.

yep once again jim finds his common theme. hits from yesteryears

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

yep once again jim finds his common theme. hits from yesteryears

oh, so as long as the gop doesn’t do it again this week, you’ll
say they have a clean slate?

how long before the statute of limitations runs out and we can. o longer hold this against the gop?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and kyle rittenhouse, and NicK Sandman, and Duke lacrosse, and darren wilson…throw tawana brawley in there…but only one side does this.

So every time the police beat up someone it's the conservatives fault, right? How about when evidence is withheld and someone goes to jail? Is that conservatives fault also?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So every time the police beat up someone it's the conservatives fault, right? How about when evidence is withheld and someone goes to jail? Is that conservatives fault also?
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take a deep breath. nothing happens on one side every time. Wayne is the one who said that falsehoods and conspiracy theories only occur on the right. my list, debunks that.

Try to respond to what i actually said, not to something stupid i never came close to saying.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

take a deep breath. nothing happens on one side every time. Wayne is the one who said that falsehoods and conspiracy theories only occur on the right. my list, debunks that.

Try to respond to what i actually said, not to something stupid i never came close to saying.

none of your examples were conspiracy theories they were stories that were corrected as newer information developed

kyle rittenhouse is a white OJ he got away with Murder became a Conservative Hero

Darren Wilson what conspiracy theories were pushed here He wasn't indicted? A cop may use lethal force when he or she “reasonably believes that the action is in defense of human life, including the officer's own life” people disagrees with a verdict isn't a conspiracy

Nicholas Sandmann what conspiracy just bad reporting that was corrected then he loses lawsuits against media outlets including NYT, ABC, and Rolling Stone.. became darling of conservatives at National convention


Jim please look up what a conspiracy theory and a falseHood are, and are not the 2 are not the same .

IS Marjorie Taylor Greene, who tweeted: "Before the covid vaccines we didn't see athletes dropping dead on the playing field like we do now... Time to investigate the covid vaccines."


ISNT

ABC accused Nicholas of behavior constituting menacing racial intimidation of Phillips, a Native American political activist,

[PaulS]

The deep state might have faked the video. It might have been the same guys who faked the moon landing and Kennedy's assassination.
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