This is insanity

[Pete F.]

Elections have consequences

You can thank Tweety for the Georgia Senate races

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Elections have consequences

You can thank Tweety for the Georgia Senate races

Agreed. They can do whatever they want. I'm not denying that, I was just clarifying that I don't think that John R was saying voting shouldn't be fair. Naturally you had to bring that to Trump.

After he leaves, will you still be pathologically obsessed?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Agreed. They can do whatever they want. I'm not denying that, I was just clarifying that I don't think that John R was saying voting shouldn't be fair. Naturally you had to bring that to Trump.

After he leaves, will you still be pathologically obsessed?

As I said months ago, Trump was going to lose the Senate seats.
I’ll leave the obsession to you.
Keep track of the suit and sock colors, will you...
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Good lord... Are you talking about making sure anyone is legally able and who wants to vote can vote? One would think you would be happy with the typical person in a red state having their vote be worth 2 to 3 times what the vote of a California or New York resident is worth; happy with all the places the Repubes. have made it where they receive 40% of votes in a state and get 70% of the congressional seats. Must be a concern about losing power rather than fair representation of the will of the people.

No. I mean Dems wanting to abolish Electoral College, Extra States, extra justices - all stuff they want to do to consolidate their power.

Originally Posted by scottw

didn't the democrats take over the Wisconsin State Capitol in 2011 too?

Heck - Code Pink has temporarily disrupted the US Capitol. It is not as bad as what happened this week but remember all those Handmaiden's Tales ; )

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he’s talking about the dems saying they want to give illegals the right to vote, end the fillibuster, add states, stack the court. i think.

is there evidence that democrats don’t gerrymander?
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True

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Elections have consequences

You can thank Tweety for the Georgia Senate races

Yep - he cost the Rs the Senate.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

No. I mean Dems wanting to abolish Electoral College, Extra States, extra justices - all stuff they want to do to consolidate their power.

That is at least slightly more reasonable to be concerned about as a righter. The r's are big fans of "by the people" so considering whether D.C., which in modern times has the population greater than Wyoming, Vermont, and about equal to Alaska should get statehood shouldn't be consider such a threat, but rather a way to achieve for...and by the people for those Americans. Puerto Rico and territories have no shot, but D.C. worth debating.

Thank Mitch for the extra justices discussion. Reasonable to debate given his embarrassing power grab. The history buffs here would know that the current electoral system is nothing like what the founders envisioned and was born out of, among other things, distrust of the people to be knowledgeable enough to direct elect and served as a way to "consolidate power" of the slave states. It was debated before, it is always open to debate.

Democrats raising these ideas in response to the current state of the union isn't something that needs to be fixed. They are issues have been debated and revisited since the earliest days.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

That is at least slightly more reasonable to be concerned about as a righter. The r's are big fans of "by the people" so considering whether D.C., which in modern times has the population greater than Wyoming, Vermont, and about equal to Alaska should get statehood shouldn't be consider such a threat, but rather a way to achieve for...and by the people for those Americans. Puerto Rico and territories have no shot, but D.C. worth debating.

Thank Mitch for the extra justices discussion. Reasonable to debate given his embarrassing power grab. The history buffs here would know that the current electoral system is nothing like what the founders envisioned and was born out of, among other things, distrust of the people to be knowledgeable enough to direct elect and served as a way to "consolidate power" of the slave states. It was debated before, it is always open to debate.

Democrats raising these ideas in response to the current state of the union isn't something that needs to be fixed. They are issues have been debated and revisited since the earliest days.

ending the fillibuster, stacking the supreme court, giving voting rights to illegals, and adding states to get around the electoral college, have never been seriously considered until now, not by people
with actual influence.

we elected the dems, so if those things happen, we deserve it. but let’s not say those are things that have been seriously considered.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ending the fillibuster (Henry Clay 1841), stacking the supreme court (Congress changed the
Court’s size multiple times during the nineteenth century.) , giving voting rights to illegals (no person with actual influence has called for this), and adding states to get around the electoral college (In 1889 and 1890, Congress added North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Washington, Idaho, and Wyoming—the largest admission of states since the original 13. This addition of 12 new senators and 18 new electors to the Electoral College was a deliberate strategy of late-19th-century Republicans to stay in power after their swing toward Big Business cost them a popular majority. The strategy paid dividends deep into the future; indeed, the admission of so many rural states back then helps to explain GOP control of the Senate today, 130 years later.), have never been seriously considered until now, not by people with actual influence.

we elected the dems, so if those things happen, we deserve it. but let’s not say those are things that have been seriously considered.
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But you are arguably incorrect.