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06-29-2022, 08:47 AM
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A major hospital system in Missouri will no longer provide emergency contraceptives to victims of sexual assault for fear of criminal prosecution of it’s providers.
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06-29-2022, 10:01 AM
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A major hospital system in Missouri will no longer provide emergency contraceptives to victims of sexual assault for fear of criminal prosecution of it’s providers.
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NH has no state income tax. CT has a huge income tax. I live with it.
Different states are different, Pete. This is what the people of MO want, or else they'll vote in new legislators who will do what they want.
Not everyone thinks like you. Why do you get to impose your will on them?
In our system of government, when dealing with a state issue, Missouri can do what they want, your state can do what it wants.
This event has really shown how much liberals hate democracy.
Why don't you go down to MO and run for office, or simply accept that just like you, they can vote for the legislature and political landscape they want. I promise you, that they have no desire to be more like CT. And they shouldn't be forced to. |
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06-29-2022, 10:38 AM
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Abortion is difficult b/c two positive values - women’s autonomy, protection of life - compete w/ each other.
Each side wants to promote one of those values. But each talks about opponents like they’re only interested in destroying the other.
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06-29-2022, 10:57 AM
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SCOTUS was misinformed for so many reasons. One is that there was no IVF in 1973. In 2022, IVF accounts for 4% of births! By overturning Roe they also impacted healthy “wanted” pregnancies. Don’t believe me? Look up “selective reduction” and “amniocentesis”.
You may want to google Lung/Head ratio for Congenital Diaphragmatic hernia or anencephaly with giant omphalocele. Please consider the difficult discussions that I have had with my patients who discovered that their desired pregnancy has one or more of these congenital issues.
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06-29-2022, 06:17 PM
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Several national antiabortion groups and their allies in Republican-led state legislatures are advancing plans to stop people from crossing state lines for abortions. Model legislation is in the works.
Now the small-government, personal freedom Republican conservatives are showing their true colors. Maybe we could institute internal passports or travel permits, like all free nations do.
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06-30-2022, 04:25 AM
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wdmso, since you refused to comment on the topic of this thread, would you comment on the chicago mayor saying at a public event, “F—- clarence thomas”?
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06-30-2022, 12:05 PM
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wdmso, since you refused to comment on the topic of this thread, would you comment on the chicago mayor saying at a public event, “F—- clarence thomas”?
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Free speech wow that was hard
Are SC justices special ?
But the press is the enemy of the people and Republicans cheer!
Which ones is the greatest threat to America calling Thomas a name or calling the press enemy of the people orTrump trying to steal a us election or abortion? I’ll wait
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06-30-2022, 12:58 PM
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Free speech wow that was hard
Are SC justices special ?
But the press is the enemy of the people and Republicans cheer!
Which ones is the greatest threat to America calling Thomas a name or calling the press enemy of the people orTrump trying to steal a us election or abortion? I’ll wait
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“free speech”just what you’d say if marjorie taylor green had said that!
you no longer have the right to criticize anyone for words. you still will, but you shouldn’t. because it’s all free speech.
oh man, you guys deserve what’s coming.
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06-30-2022, 04:26 PM
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Free speech wow that was hard
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Glad it wasn’t a tweet, different set of rules for those 
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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06-30-2022, 07:42 PM
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Glad it wasn’t a tweet, different set of rules for those
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Shocking no examples
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06-30-2022, 07:43 PM
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Shocking no examples
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you missed his point completely. you guys go berserk over trump’s tweets, you’d never dismiss any of his tweets by saying “free speech.”
He proved you’re a hypocrite.
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06-30-2022, 04:32 AM
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Hundreds of Jews rallied last night for abortion rights at Michigan’s largest synagogue, Temple Israel. “Stand up for our mothers, stand up for each other,” they sing.
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06-30-2022, 05:26 AM
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Hundreds of Jews rallied last night for abortion rights at Michigan’s largest synagogue, Temple Israel. “Stand up for our mothers, stand up for each other,” they sing.
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that’s called democracy. i’m
fine with that, even though i disagree.
Pete, it’s you, not me, who can’t handle any disagreement.
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06-30-2022, 05:27 AM
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Hundreds of Jews rallied last night for abortion rights at Michigan’s largest synagogue, Temple Israel. “Stand up for our mothers, stand up for each other,” they sing.
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oh, and nice dodge of the topic of the thread.
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06-30-2022, 08:59 AM
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oh, and nice dodge of the topic of the thread.
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Said the guy debating fetus pain tolerance on the thread about the hearings. |
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06-30-2022, 09:21 AM
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Said the guy debating fetus pain tolerance on the thread about the hearings.
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in response to someone else, GS.
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06-30-2022, 01:38 PM
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Hopefully you’ll be happy
A clearly angry Kagan pulling no punches: "The current Court is textualist only when being so suits it. When that method would frustrate broader goals, special canons like the 'major questions doctrine' magically appear as get out-of-text-free cards"
These opinions will be read by historians--if we are lucky enough to have historians in the future--as the desperate warnings of good people as the country is overrun and destroyed by bad people supported by people who refuse to understand that our lot is theirs, too.
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06-30-2022, 01:55 PM
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Hopefully you’ll be happy
A clearly angry Kagan pulling no punches: "The current Court is textualist only when being so suits it. When that method would frustrate broader goals, special canons like the 'major questions doctrine' magically appear as get out-of-text-free cards"
These opinions will be read by historians--if we are lucky enough to have historians in the future--as the desperate warnings of good people as the country is overrun and destroyed by bad people supported by people who refuse to understand that our lot is theirs, too.
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the court was liberal for 50 years. It’s not carved in stone it must be so forever. Elections have consequences.
Why are you ok with unelected bureaucrats setting national policy? isn’t it better if elected legislators enact policy, so that we can respond at election time?
Again, you seem to have a real issue with the conceit of a representative democratic republic.
if everyone agrees with you in abortion,,it will be available in all 50 states. If not, it won’t be available in all 50 states.
I don’t think CT should have an income tax, but not nearly a majority agrees with me, so i don’t get my way. and why should i? who am i to be able to impose my beliefs on others?
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06-30-2022, 02:24 PM
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the court was liberal for 50 years. It’s not carved in stone it must be so forever. Elections have consequences.
Why are you ok with unelected bureaucrats setting national policy? isn’t it better if elected legislators enact policy, so that we can respond at election time?
Again, you seem to have a real issue with the conceit of a representative democratic republic.
if everyone agrees with you in abortion,,it will be available in all 50 states. If not, it won’t be available in all 50 states.
I don’t think CT should have an income tax, but not nearly a majority agrees with me, so i don’t get my way. and why should i? who am i to be able to impose my beliefs on others?
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Let's be clear: the Court can talk all it like about the alleged democratic deficiency of administrative agencies (although: pot, kettle), but this is fundamentally a Congress-disempowering doctrine. It makes it nearly impossible for Congress to pass laws accomplishing its goals.
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
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06-30-2022, 02:53 PM
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Let's be clear: the Court can talk all it like about the alleged democratic deficiency of administrative agencies (although: pot, kettle), but this is fundamentally a Congress-disempowering doctrine. It makes it nearly impossible for Congress to pass laws accomplishing its goals.
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that’s not even close to being true. it empowers the legislature.
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06-30-2022, 09:16 PM
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that’s not even close to being true. it empowers the legislature.
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You can regulate a pregnant body but not a coal plant. You can control the free speech of a teacher but not the money-as-speech of a corporation. You can coerce a child to pray in school but you can’t keep guns out of their classroom. What a world this Supreme Court is making.
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Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
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06-30-2022, 02:13 PM
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Antiabortion lawmakers want to block patients from crossing state lines
This pic sums it up ..
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06-30-2022, 02:51 PM
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Antiabortion lawmakers want to block patients from crossing state lines
This pic sums it up ..
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that pic is true. any and all babies given up for adoption, will be adopted. older
kids in foster don’t do as well, but that has nothing to do with abortion, as babies get aborted not older kids. babies don’t languish in foster care.
swing and a miss.
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06-30-2022, 08:43 PM
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Like arguing with a cinder block
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07-01-2022, 03:26 PM
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Like arguing with a cinder block
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So you think Trump not being allowed to post on twitter is a protected right in the constitution ?
So by Trump not being allowed on a private platform is an attack on his free speech Rights !
But I am the cinderBlock .. that’s funny
And Trump trying to steal the US election is exactly what? In your view . metaphorically of course
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07-01-2022, 05:23 AM
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THIS IS THE FUTURE THAT CONSERVATIVES WANT
The Christian Republic of Texas.
The Catholic State of Missouri.
The Evangelical Commonwealth of Virginia.
This is it. This is where it's all been going, and at this pace they could have it by the end of the next SCOTUS term.
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07-01-2022, 05:28 AM
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THIS IS THE FUTURE THAT CONSERVATIVES WANT
The Christian Republic of Texas.
The Catholic State of Missouri.
The Evangelical Commonwealth of Virginia.
This is it. This is where it's all been going, and at this pace they could have it by the end of the next SCOTUS term.
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pretty sure the Court's adherence to the Constitution would not allow that...but keep fantasizing... |
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07-01-2022, 06:32 AM
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pretty sure the Court's adherence to the Constitution would not allow that...but keep fantasizing...
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they are beyond desperate.
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07-01-2022, 05:37 AM
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The Supreme Court agreed to hear Moore v Harper, an appeal advocating for extreme interpretation of the Constitution that could make it easier for state legislatures to suppress the vote, draw unfair election districts, enable partisan interference in ballot counting.
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07-01-2022, 06:35 AM
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The Supreme Court agreed to hear Moore v Harper, an appeal advocating for extreme interpretation of the Constitution that could make it easier for state legislatures to suppress the vote, draw unfair election districts, enable partisan interference in ballot counting.
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if SCOTUS is simply a tool to enact conservative principles, please explain why they did hand Biden a big win this week, when they upheld Bidens intent to allow Trumps “remain in Mexico” policy to end
Conservatives really want that to continue, this supreme court said Biden could end it.
Please explain why SCOTUS did this Pete, if they’re just a bunch of conservative activists?
I’ll wait. You have fun with that.
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