Fake news

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[Raven]

Originally Posted by Nebe

If there's one thing that grinds my gears it's fake "news". I would hope that one day anything that is stamped with the term "news" should be 100% accurate. Much like the labeling of organic food.

I think this is fake NEWS

and really you LOVE it -LOL

Hillary Won the election

[PaulS]

So within a few hours a member of the transition team lies, the national security advisor lies and the VP lies. Pathetic. And all we get is the typical snarky response.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So within a few hours a member of the transition team lies, the national security advisor lies and the VP lies. Pathetic. And all we get is the typical snarky response.

everybody does it, ask Eben...especially politicians...i would worry too much

[PaulS]

Unfortunately, I agree everbody does it. Parlty a result of every statement being examined w/a fine tooth comb. I just think Trump is taking it to a new level.

[PaulS]

It sad that the "right" has lost so "much" of its "morals" that people now make "excuses" for people's lies.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It sad that the "right" has lost so "much" of its "morals" that people now make "excuses" for people's lies.

That sentence is loaded with fake language.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It sad that the "right" has lost so "much" of its "morals" that people now make "excuses" for people's lies.

Anthony Weiner told you to say that, didn't he?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Anthony Weiner told you to say that, didn't he?
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I'm a little confused what does Anthony weiner have to do with my comment?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It sad that the "right" has lost so "much" of its "morals" that people now make "excuses" for people's lies.

think of it as a football game...the left team has succeeded in getting away with favorable calls throughout the first half...chop blocks, mugging receivers, late hits on the quarterback all seemingly go unnoticed by the officials...so in the second half right team decides to play the style of play that the left team has established with the help of those who are supposed to be officiating, in fact, some of those officiating are tired of the less than admirable tactics from the left team and realize that they are incorrigible so they resist the urge to reach for their flags ....the coaches and players on the left team sideline scream with incredulity with each infraction not understanding why penalties are not being called.. though before halftime they were filled with glee each time they benefited from a non-call .....it's not that the right team has lost morals or is simply making excuses...it's that they've likely resolved to playing by the established rules in order to stand a chance at the end....the cognitive dissonance that you and many on the left are experiencing is not due to the fact that the right is not outraged(there is outrage if you choose to look but tempered probably thanks to years of being ignored and impugned...desensitized perhaps....or call it more "tolerant" you could say maybe ambivalence).... you are frustrated that you can't hold the two sides to different standards in order to maintain an advantage....this can be quite maddening apparently

"just win baby"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

think of it as a football game...the left team has succeeded in getting away with favorable calls throughout the first half...chop blocks, mugging receivers, late hits on the quarterback all seemingly go unnoticed by the officials...so in the second half right team decides to play the style of play that the left team has established with the help of those who are supposed to be officiating, in fact, some of those officiating are tired of the less than admirable tactics from the left team and realize that they are incorrigible so they resist the urge to reach for their flags ....the coaches and players on the left team sideline scream with incredulity with each infraction not understanding why penalties are not being called.. though before halftime they were filled with glee each time they benefited from a non-call .....it's not that the right team has lost morals or is simply making excuses...it's that they've likely resolved to playing by the established rules in order to stand a chance at the end....the cognitive dissonance that you and many on the left are experiencing is not due to the fact that the right is not outraged(there is outrage if you choose to look but tempered probably thanks to years of being ignored and impugned...desensitized perhaps....or call it more "tolerant" you could say maybe ambivalence).... you are frustrated that you can't hold the two sides to different standards in order to maintain an advantage....this can be quite maddening apparently

"just win baby"

Good post. We nominated goody-two-shoes in 08 and 12, it didn't work. The media said John McCain fathered his adopted daughter in an affair, and they said Romney was a heartless tycoon. So there is no benefit to nominating a man of integrity, except for the better treatment you get on Foxnews.

Sometimes you need someone who will elbow back. Enter Mr Trump.

It's also worth noting that Trump's ethical lapses (there are many) are not applicable to everyone else in the party. All things considered, I find the air quite tolerable on our side.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It's also worth noting that Trump's ethical lapses (there are many) are not applicable to everyone else in the party. All things considered, I find the air quite tolerable on our side.

Of course his ethical lapses are not applicable to anyone else. Most people recognize that. However you find something you don't like about a Democrat and you apply that to everybody. By the way do you know the manufacturer of Confederate flags? I'd like to purchase some stock in the company since they have been very prevalent since Donald Trump got elected president. Glad you like the air up there.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

By the way do you know the manufacturer of Confederate flags? I'd like to purchase some stock in the company since they have been very prevalent since Donald Trump got elected president.

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gets stranger by the post

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Of course his ethical lapses are not applicable to anyone else. Most people recognize that. However you find something you don't like about a Democrat and you apply that to everybody. By the way do you know the manufacturer of Confederate flags? I'd like to purchase some stock in the company since they have been very prevalent since Donald Trump got elected president. Glad you like the air up there.
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Yesterday you accused the entire "right" of losing so "much" of its "morals" because some have defended Trump (which, I guess, you think is immoral). Yet you think, I guess, that it is wrong to apply to all Democrats something that is not nice about one Democrat.

And now you're implying, I guess, that there is some not nice thing about Trump which is connected to, or inspires a love for, the Confederacy. And that, a mirror image of applying to everybody what is about one person, you now apply to one person (Trump) something pertaining to a whole segment of people.

Aside from your hypocrisy, would you be speaking code, or blowing a dog whistle, implying, or actually saying, that Trump is a racist? Or that he actually does not love America nor does not want to make it great, but actually hankers to the greatness of the Confederate States? Or something like that?

That's the kind of fake news that the Democrats constantly propagate. And have been doing for many years. That's why their outrage over trump seems fake to me. Is he different now than all the years before he ran for President? How come there wasn't this constant barrage of "news" about what a racist, sexist, homophobic, hateful person he was all those years? How come he was actually a celebrity? Befriended by the "left" even more than by the "right"?

That's why it's about politics--his audacity to run against the left and their anointed next-in-line. That's why the Democrat rage over certain fake news is fake rage to me. They've disseminated so much fake news over the decades that it seems to flow effortlessly out of their every orifice.

Scottw's football analogy explains a lot of what passes over you. Probably, Democrat fake tactics have been so pervasive and unchecked by the very media which approved and fed into it with its own fakery that it has been accepted as a norm, was normalized to the point where it wasn't noticed as anything peculiar. Certainly, it was never alluded to as fake news. Even though much of it was.

[The Dad Fisherman]

That word Morals....
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

That word Morals....
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No one says he had morals but you didn't see people here talking about "false outrage" or it's not a big deal like you do with Trump's constant lying. In fact when the Anthony Weiner news came to light everybody said how sleazy it was nobody tried defending him. that's the difference
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

or it's not a big deal like you do with Trump's constant lying.
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Care to show me where I claimed that.....

All I did was point out somebody on the "Left" who pretty much sums up "Lack of Morals"
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Care to show me where I claimed that.....

All I did was point out somebody on the "Left" who pretty much sums up "Lack of Morals"
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I should have said like you "see here", not that you do and I apologize for that. I have not seen you defend his lying. When I use my phone and the voice activation some things are written incorrectly.

I agree weiner has a lack of morals and no one here or elsewhere said it's not a big deal like we're seeing with Trumps lying.'s
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Put your critical thinking cap on.

And tell us again how his lies are not a big deal.
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"Put your critical thinking cap on."

Harry Reid didn't regret or apologize about saying that Romney didn't pay taxes for 10 years. When he was asked about his lie, his reply was "Romney didn't win, did he?"

So put your critical thinking cap on. C'mon now. Think. Why do politicians lie? Would Hillary's lies have been a big deal to you if she had won?

Maybe you don't think her lies were all that bad. I don't think that Trump's lies are all that bad. Most of them were not actually lies. Mostly exaggerations, sarcasms, mistakes, or outright distortions of what he actually said . . . Hillary didn't win, did she?

What goes around, comes around. Always been that way.

It's very difficult to be totally honest to the American people about political reality. Probably because "political reality" has become an oxymoron.

To begin with, there must be a defined, if not an absolute, framework of government with a defined process of governing in order for there to be a semblance of a coherent political reality. The abandonment of the political framework on which this country was founded was begun long ago and has been gradually eroded ever since.

And before that framework, there must be a reason to create it and its process for governing. There must be an idea, a principle that motivates the creation of the framework. The principles of our founding have also been gradually distorted and lied about. We are at a point where most of our people don't even know what they or the framework are. There are many who believe they should be forgotten, discarded. There are many who feel we should restore them.

What is the political reality in that mix of opposing views?

If we don't have a common definition of what it means to make the government work well, what must politicians say to us in order to get elected? Must they tell us what they think most want to hear? And how do that "most" arrive at thinking what they want to hear?

Being totally honest will turn off half or more of our morally, ideologically, and politically divided people. Trump has long been in the business of understanding and persuading people. He learned how to schmooz, fib, tell white lies, and some biggies, better than Hillary. Also better than Romney or McCain.

Hillary didn't win, did she? What else do you need to know?

That's how its been done for a long, long time. As smart as Romney is, he didn't understand something as simple as that. As dumb as Harry Reid usually appears to be, he did understand that. Hillary understood it, but didn't have the personal goods, the charisma, the ability to connect with enough diverse people, to pull it off.

Is that a good thing? You and I would probably agree that it's not so good. That it should be better. That it should be much, much more honest. My solution is to connect the vast majority of us under common principles. The most basic principles which can connect diverse and even opposing beliefs. And to devise a framework of government to support that connection. And to teach and instill in all our people a jealous loyalty to those principles and the framework that supports them.

Oh . . . wait . . . we already did that.

Why I didn't consider Trump's so-called lies to be a big deal is because what's left of our original framework and principles, which would be a real glue to unite us rather than the fake mess we have now, could possibly be led to gradual restoration by appointing judges who would actually support, defend, and abide by that constitutional framework.

Then, if we can restore that original connection that the people of this country had, whatever lies the politicians think they must tell us in order to win will easily be exposed as political unreality if they contradict those principles and that framework which connect us.

Otherwise, we can continue to flounder in the unreal political morass of opposing ideologies which persuade us with lies, slander, and sleaze. And we can continue to bitch about who are the biggest liars.

Does that help answer your question?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

don't think that Trump's lies are all that bad. Most of them were not actually lies. Mostly exaggerations, sarcasms, mistakes, or outright distortions of what he actually said . . . Hillary didn't win, did she?

Trump being Trump

can't even imagine what the State of the Union will be like

[PaulS]

Yes those in fact are all lies.

So again, pls. point out where I said "everything" Trump says is a lie.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes those in fact are all lies.

So again, pls. point out where I said "everything" Trump says is a lie.

I wrote "you seem to label everything he says as a lie"

can you cite an instance where you declared Trump truthful?...oh...wait...when he said he wanted to date his daughter....that was probably truthful...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes those in fact are all lies.

So again, pls. point out where I said "everything" Trump says is a lie.

Originally Posted by PaulS

I've only discussed a fraction of his statements. In fact, a fraction of his lies.

QUOTE=PaulS;1113448]No one says he had morals but you didn't see people here talking about "false outrage" or it's not a big deal like you do with Trump's constant lying.
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Trump should twitter out that he will be the most honest president in our history....bigley....that would send the moonbats right over the moon....or at least into aroma therapy

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

Trump should twitter out that he will be the most honest president in our history....bigley....that would send the moonbats right over the moon....or at least into aroma therapy

Still don't see where I stated "everything" he said was a lie - try again.

Your "bar" is set awfully low.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Your "bar" is set awfully low.

this is correct

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes those in fact are all lies.

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Once the primaries ended, it was assured that a morally bankrupt, serial liar was going to be POTUS.

The GOP nominated Ward Cleaver in 2012, it didn't stop your side from claiming that he was a heartless tycoon who had no empathy for dying women, or for kids, or puppies...

I don't like his morals any more than you do. Character wasn't on the ballot in 2016.

[wdmso]

lie

noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

verb (used without object), lied, lying.
5.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
Synonyms

not to be confused with

Definition of misspeak
misspokeplay \-ˈspōk\misspokenplay \-ˈspō-kən\misspeaking
transitive verb
1
: to speak (as a word) incorrectly
2
: to express (oneself) imperfectly or incorrectly <claims now that he misspoke himself>

Trump issue is not that he Misspeak's on the contrary his willingness to double down on his statements when his figures and claimed facts are show to be false... this behavior makes him a liar..

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump issue is not that he Misspeak's on the contrary his willingness to double down on his statements when his figures and claimed facts are show to be false... this behavior makes him a liar..

His issue was to get elected. He accomplished that. Now, his issue is to make America great again. Actually, he said "We" will make America great again. But first he'd better consult with you on the definition of great. Then, after clearing that up, he can get on with it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

lie


Trump issue is not that he Misspeak's on the contrary his willingness to double down on his statements when his figures and claimed facts are show to be false... this behavior makes him a liar..

no one said he "Misspeak's"(well, you just did)....in fact it's pretty widely acknowledged that he's loose with the truth and facts to the point where it can be pretty amusing when he gets on a roll, the degree to which it's willful and sinister is debatable.....in most cases I suspect what you perceive as is "lie" is rather simply, and nothing more, the fact that he has a differing view and perspective than you may hold on a given subjects, what you perceive as a "lie" by Trump is actually your inability to view the world through the prism through which he looking...probably the result of your lack of tolerance of differing viewpoints and a closed-minded inability to grasp the world outside your bubble.........so it's not really Trump....it's you...

Originally Posted by detbuch

"I don't think that Trump's lies are all that bad. Most of them were not actually lies. Mostly exaggerations, sarcasms, mistakes, or outright distortions of what he actually said . . ."

[scottw]

Krauthammer really nails it...

The most amusing part of the Trump transition has been watching its effortless confounding of the media, often in fewer than 140 characters.

An epidemic of constitutional chin-tugging and civil-libertarian hair-pulling immediately breaks out. By the time the media have exhausted their outrage over the looming abolition of free speech, judicial supremacy, and affordable kale, Trump has moved on.

Trump so thoroughly owns the political stage today that the word Clinton seems positively quaint and Barack Obama, who happens to be president of the United States, is totally irrelevant.

Trump will continue to tweet and the media will continue to take the bait. Highly entertaining but it is a sideshow.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-interventions