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02-03-2022, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
not sure if the MAGA world or Republicans pay any attention to past events
Republican after Republican keep parroting the same message
Putin 'Smells Weak US and' What happened on Trump's watch? Nothing,''
But they were singing a different tune in early 2020
Republican Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah described Trump's move as "a gift to Russia" and a "slap in the face at a friend and ally.
retired US Navy Adm. Jim Stravidis, the former top military commander in Europe and NATO, said hurts NATO solidarity overall, and is a gift to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin."
There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, 2016
let's revisit Trumps watch on Ukraine and Nato
Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia
Trump’s barrage of attacks ‘beyond belief,’ reeling NATO diplomats say
Trump Belittles NATO in the Run-Up to the Putin Summit july 2018
Trump's Germany troops pullout may be his last gift to Putin before the election
Trump has offered No statements centered on Ukraine have been published on his PAC’s website. Jan 2022... no condemnation towards russia or Putin
and we all know how he tried to Strong Arm Ukraine for Dirt on Biden
So in a nutshell Putin Ask Trump to withdraw troop and destabilize nato and like a good Puppet and he did just that
Just like he Tried to steal the election here in the US
yet republicans refuse to hold him accountable for anything
But their outraged and see
That Biden relaunches 'Cancer Moonshot' initiative aimed at halving rate of cancer deaths by 2047 as arrogance
Why when It comes to Trump everything is somehow a coincidence
never planned or done in coordination with others even when the facts show otherwise ?
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Youre saying the GOP got it all wrong on this? Shocker... |
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02-03-2022, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Youre saying the GOP got it all wrong on this? Shocker...
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Which Part blaming Biden or ignoring that Trump did Just what Putin wanted divided NATO and pulled Troops out of europe..
Trump and Putin met one-on-one in a room for 2 hours.
“While I had a great meeting with NATO, raising vast amounts of money, I had an even better meeting with Vladimir Putin of Russia,” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning. “Sadly, it is not being reported that way - the Fake News is going Crazy!”
No official readout was Taken  and then 12000 troops were ordered to leave europe in 2020 Just before the election
Seems Putin started moving Troops once Trump lost.. another coincidence?? since March experts say they are witnessing something new. Russia has started sending thousands of troops, tanks, artillery and other units to Crimea and regions along its 1,200-mile land border with Ukraine, yet weak Biden Freezes Trump’s Withdrawal of 12,000 Troops From Germany Feb. 4, 2021
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...2ad_story.html
Last edited by wdmso; 02-03-2022 at 04:30 PM..
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02-03-2022, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Which Part blaming Biden or ignoring that Trump did Just what Putin wanted divided NATO and pulled Troops out of europe..
Trump and Putin met one-on-one in a room for 2 hours.
“While I had a great meeting with NATO, raising vast amounts of money, I had an even better meeting with Vladimir Putin of Russia,” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning. “Sadly, it is not being reported that way - the Fake News is going Crazy!”
No official readout was Taken and then 12000 troops were ordered to leave europe in 2020 Just before the election
Seems Putin started moving Troops once Trump lost.. another coincidence?? since March experts say they are witnessing something new. Russia has started sending thousands of troops, tanks, artillery and other units to Crimea and regions along its 1,200-mile land border with Ukraine, yet weak Biden Freezes Trump’s Withdrawal of 12,000 Troops From Germany Feb. 4, 2021
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"Trump did Just what Putin wanted"
The left desperately wanted to paint Trump as soft on Russia. While he obviously has a soft spot for Putin, here's what Trump did with Russian policy...
1) Bombed Syria, Russia's main client, and unleashed the U.S. military in Syria, including against Russians; 2) Armed Ukraine; 3) Weakened the Iran nuclear deal, and would likely soon end it [which Trump later did]; 4) Browbeat NATO allies to increase defense spending; 5) Approved $130 billion in new defense spending; 6) Added low-yield nukes to the U.S. arsenal; 7) Started research and development on a new missile after Russia deployed a missile that did not comply with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty; 8) Shut down Russia's consulate in San Francisco; and 9) Pumped more U.S. oil and gas, making the U.S. more energy independent.
The left repeats "Trump is a Russian puppet" often enough, that many, like you, will assume it's true, nodding like livestock when you hear it.
The facts are pretty different. He was tough on Russia.
NATO was created to defend against the Soviet Union, which no longer exists. Today's Russia, isn't yesterdays USSR, not by a long shot.
Sorry to demolish a good, liberal, anti Trump rant with facts.
You go ahead and tell me which of those things, Trump didn't do.
You can fill the oceans with Trump's faults. Being soft on Russia, ain't one of them. It says nothing to you that Putin is getting so aggressive now? With Pudding Brain in the White House? |
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02-03-2022, 09:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"Trump did Just what Putin wanted"
The left desperately wanted to paint Trump as soft on Russia. While he obviously has a soft spot for Putin, here's what Trump did with Russian policy...
1) Bombed Syria, Russia's main client, and unleashed the U.S. military in Syria, including against Russians; 2) Armed Ukraine; 3) Weakened the Iran nuclear deal, and would likely soon end it [which Trump later did]; 4) Browbeat NATO allies to increase defense spending; 5) Approved $130 billion in new defense spending; 6) Added low-yield nukes to the U.S. arsenal; 7) Started research and development on a new missile after Russia deployed a missile that did not comply with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty; 8) Shut down Russia's consulate in San Francisco; and 9) Pumped more U.S. oil and gas, making the U.S. more energy independent.
The left repeats "Trump is a Russian puppet" often enough, that many, like you, will assume it's true, nodding like livestock when you hear it.
The facts are pretty different. He was tough on Russia.
NATO was created to defend against the Soviet Union, which no longer exists. Today's Russia, isn't yesterdays USSR, not by a long shot.
Sorry to demolish a good, liberal, anti Trump rant with facts.
You go ahead and tell me which of those things, Trump didn't do.
You can fill the oceans with Trump's faults. Being soft on Russia, ain't one of them. It says nothing to you that Putin is getting so aggressive now? With Pudding Brain in the White House?
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Sorry but Putin’s puppet let Putin’s GDP grow each year of his administration, undermined Zelinsky, played his idiotic power trips with NATO partners and never forget Helsinki.
The RNC spent years giving cover to the many scandals involving Trump while he was having an affair with Russia, whose President happened to be Trump's leading banker.
If you find yourself echoing Putin - Biden is goading Russia to invade Ukraine - you should reconsider your assumptions. Putin was trained to lie in the KGB, killed innocents, annexed territory, arrested opponents. You trust him? Want to be on his side?
Some people seem surprised the Trump/America First wing of the GOP is so vehemently against helping Ukraine against Putin. But the original America First Committee was vehemently against helping Britain against Hitler. “America First” was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
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02-04-2022, 12:20 AM
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brandon administration losing the only people left propping them up...
MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, tweeted: “Both of these responses from Psaki and Price are completely dumb and gross and only make them, and the case they are making, look worse.”
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02-11-2022, 09:36 AM
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Wonder why Russia wants to invade.
How the independent, sovereign, democratic nation of Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
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02-11-2022, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
Wonder why Russia wants to invade.
How the independent, sovereign, democratic nation of Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
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wow. i wonder if they do a good job at managing all that, is it still a very poor country?
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02-14-2022, 12:52 PM
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Seldom Seen
Join Date: May 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers
Wonder why Russia wants to invade.
How the independent, sovereign, democratic nation of Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
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Wow. Quite a list... Not doubting, but do you have a source? I want to use but will likely be asked to back it up.... Thanks, Bob |
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