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07-20-2022, 06:19 AM
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Here’s the chance that a kid born in the bottom 20% of the income distribution eventually reaches the top 20%, depending on where they live.
Red states are not the land of opportunity.
https://inequality.stanford.edu/site...c-mobility.pdf
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07-20-2022, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Here’s the chance that a kid born in the bottom 20% of the income distribution eventually reaches the top 20%, depending on where they live.
Red states are not the land of opportunity.
https://inequality.stanford.edu/site...c-mobility.pdf
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Easy fix if you care about the people less fortunate than yourself - increase the taxes in those red states and improve the schools, infrastructure, etc. But then you can't claim your state is so good bc taxes aren't low (while still getting $ from the blue states that pay far more in taxes to the Fed than they get back).
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07-20-2022, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Easy fix if you care about the people less fortunate than yourself - increase the taxes in those red states and improve the schools, infrastructure, etc. But then you can't claim your state is so good bc taxes aren't low (while still getting $ from the blue states that pay far more in taxes to the Fed than they get back).
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that’s if you believe that spending money solves everything. hartford spends $19k to educate each kid, and the schools stink.
do t let facts get in the way.
there’s a reason why people are moving there. i know you all hate that reason, but facts don’t care whether or not you like those facts.
Yes, better bridges and roads will end poverty.
why oppose school choice if you claim to want to help these people?
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07-20-2022, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
that’s if you believe that spending money solves everything. hartford spends $19k to educate each kid, and the schools stink.
do t let facts get in the way.
there’s a reason why people are moving there. i know you all hate that reason, but facts don’t care whether or not you like those facts.
Yes, better bridges and roads will end poverty.
why oppose school choice if you claim to want to help these people?
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You're an actuary. There is a pretty good correlation between the states that have higher taxes and better education systems, where the people seem to live longer and now we know have a better chance of success.
You're a one trick pony - you only care about lower taxes. It benefits you bc you make enough that you can make up for the crappy schools, etc. in those red states where the better off have no empathy or compassion for those people who aren't as well off.
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07-20-2022, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
You're an actuary. There is a pretty good correlation between the states that have higher taxes and better education systems, where the people seem to live longer and now we know have a better chance of success.
You're a one trick pony - you only care about lower taxes. It benefits you bc you make enough that you can make up for the crappy schools, etc. in those red states where the better off have no empathy or compassion for those people who aren't as well off.
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i high end mercedes is better than a honda accord. but to many people, it’s not worth the extra cost.
i’m nothing close to a one trick pony. i care about taxes and what you get in return. that’s what most people care about. and many are deciding that blue states aren’t worth the cost.
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taxes AND what you get in return. not just taxes. i don’t always lol for cheapest price. But most people
look for the best value. cost is one part of value, not the only part.
If you can’t concede that cost and benefit are two different things, you have issues.
Not just taxes. Taxes, combines with an honest discussion of what one gets in return.
Last edited by Jim in CT; 07-20-2022 at 08:53 AM..
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07-20-2022, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
i high end mercedes is better than a honda accord. but to many people, it’s not worth the extra cost.
i’m nothing close to a one trick pony. i care about taxes and what you get in returnthat is what I said - you only care about taxes.. that’s what most people care about. and many are deciding that blue states aren’t worth the cost.
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Sure you are, you only name taxes as the reason people are leaving while ignoring other things. I agree people are leaving for lower taxes (and other reasons like weather) and many of them are the older folks who made their $ in the better blue states and have no need/care for the better schools, etc. in the blue states so the crappy schools in the red states don't matter to them. They can still get their gov. sponsored and funded health ins. no matter where they live.
Imagine how much worse those red states would be if there wasn't that transfer of many billions of blue state taxes to the poor red states every month.
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07-20-2022, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Imagine how much worse those red states would be if there wasn't that transfer of many billions of blue state taxes to the poor red states every month.
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probably cease to exist....
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07-20-2022, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
You're an actuary. There is a pretty good correlation between the states that have higher taxes and better education systems, where the people seem to live longer and now we know have a better chance of success.
You're a one trick pony - you only care about lower taxes. It benefits you bc you make enough that you can make up for the crappy schools, etc. in those red states where the better off have no empathy or compassion for those people who aren't as well off.
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paul there are beautiful suburbs in NH ( Hollis, Brookline, Bedford, Amherst, Bow) where they can’t build $600,000 houses fast enough, with the best public schools in the state.
NH has no income tax, no sales tax. Over 40 years, that’s over 200k in savings to many families. in my case it’s probably close to 300k.
What am i getting in CT, that i wouldn’t get if i lived in NH? What’s the state of CT doing for me that’s worth $300k more than what is get i. NH?
The university of NH is cheaper than UCONN as well.
Please tell me what i’m getting for all that extra cost? Because i can’t think of anything.
Many people are coming to the same realization.
You think social services are well
funded in. CT? ask someone who works for DCF how much their funding has been cut.
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