Paul Pelosi attack

[wdmso]

democrats refuse to discuss fixing our cultural cultural problems, our lack or humanity and family values.

There it is again the leave it to beaver Mentality

And some how Jim your telling us. the GOP and the Christian right are holding the High Ground on Humanity and family values…. In the United States

Man you live in a fantasy . And a good soldier in the GOPs Culture war army

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

democrats refuse to discuss fixing our cultural cultural problems, our lack or humanity and family values.

There it is again the leave it to beaver Mentality

And some how Jim your telling us. the GOP and the Christian right are holding the High Ground on Humanity and family values…. In the United States

Man you live in a fantasy . And a good soldier in the GOPs Culture war army

Wayne, the gun is an inanimate object. It doesn't do anything on its own, it cannot do anything on its own. I am very sorry if that simple truth upsets you, and equally sorry if it doesn't paint your agenda in a positive light. But that's your problem,. not mine. What I said is true, and it's not an inherently partisan fact. Facts don't care about party.

Your post was long on insults, short on logic and facts.

There's much of the 1950s I'd never want to return to (mostly due to your side engaging in brutal racism and segregation). But in terms of family units, and the way we cared about each other? Light years better than today. Again, don't take my word, look at the data in terms of divorce rates, fatherlessness rates, etc...

The people who make up the GOP are as flawed as the people who make up the democrat side, it seems no matter how many times I say that, it still goes over your head, it's beyond your grasp. The policies each side supports, are not similar. Your side doesn't like the idea of requiring medical care for babies born alive. That speaks for itself, 1 of 210 democrats in the house supported that bill. One. Good luck with that.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

democrats refuse to discuss fixing our cultural cultural problems, our lack or humanity and family values.

There it is again the leave it to beaver Mentality

And some how Jim your telling us. the GOP and the Christian right are holding the High Ground on Humanity and family values…. In the United States

Man you live in a fantasy . And a good soldier in the GOPs Culture war army

Montana and Wyoming lead the nation in gun ownership, but rates of gun murder per 100k residents aren't abnormally high.

If I was wrong and you were right, states with highest gun ownership would have the highest rates of gun murders, wouldn't they? But they don't. Not even close. Look at the data. Just because you'll hate the data, doesn't make it wrong.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Montana and Wyoming lead the nation in gun ownership, but rates of gun murder per 100k residents aren't abnormally high.

If I was wrong and you were right, states with highest gun ownership would have the highest rates of gun murders, wouldn't they? But they don't. Not even close. Look at the data. Just because you'll hate the data, doesn't make it wrong.

You do realize that Wyoming and Montana are mostly empty space right?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You do realize that Wyoming and Montana are mostly empty space right?

I do.

You do realize that murder rates per 100k citizens (as opposed to the absolute number of murders) normalize for differences in population density, right?

Are you saying that something besides gun ownership (eg, population density, and perhaps the socioeconomics of the population) are also factors in expected murders? Not just the presence of a gun?

If so, I agree.

The prevalence of guns obviously plays a role. Our lack of humanity also plays a role. Our complete inability to deal with mental illness plays a role. Lack of dads plays an enormous role if you're talking about typical urban violence, which claims far more lives than mass shootings, but those get way more press coverage because they serve the media's lefty narrative.

Spence, we don't agree on a single thing. You name it, we disagree on it. But if you owned 25 guns, you'd never hurt anybody. The presence of a gun in your home, doesn't change the fact that you're a decent guy. Having a gun, wouldn't turn you into a sociopath. The underlying problem therefore, is us, a darkness that seems to be getting a little worse over time. That's the fire. The prevalence of guns is a fuel thrown on the fire. If it were the gun, Montana and Wyoming would lead the nation in murder rates. There's a reason why they don't. The reason might not serve your political agenda, but it's still the reason. Fewer dark souls.

There are more guns out there today than there are people, I think. And we have a constitution with a second amendment. The guns play a role, but there are other levers we can pull.

The right refuses to budge on guns. The left refuses to discuss our cultural sicknesses. So absolutely nothing gets done, and the bodies pile up. And both sides continue to elect jerks who can't compromise or be honest.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Montana and Wyoming lead the nation in gun ownership, but rates of gun murder per 100k residents aren't abnormally high.

If I was wrong and you were right, states with highest gun ownership would have the highest rates of gun murders, wouldn't they? But they don't. Not even close. Look at the data. Just because you'll hate the data, doesn't make it wrong.

I can't compete with such a simpleton who can't do any research this literally was top of my search using your words

Mississippi, Wyoming, Louisiana, Alaska, Missouri, and Alabama Have Highest Gun Death Rates in the Nation; Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and New York Have Lowest Gun Death Rates in the Nation


https://vpc.org/states-with-weak-gun...caAnwTEALw_wcB



Also Gun ownership by state Highest Rate

Montana (66.30%) of 500 thousand residents
Lowest Rate
Massachusetts (14.70%) of 7 million


which state has more Guns

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I can't compete with such a simpleton who can't do any research this literally was top of my search using your words

Mississippi, Wyoming, Louisiana, Alaska, Missouri, and Alabama Have Highest Gun Death Rates in the Nation; Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and New York Have Lowest Gun Death Rates in the Nation


https://vpc.org/states-with-weak-gun...caAnwTEALw_wcB



Also Gun ownership by state Highest Rate

Montana (66.30%) of 500 thousand residents
Lowest Rate
Massachusetts (14.70%) of 7 million


which state has more Guns

2 sources that show gun murder rates by state, have WY much lower. Not sure where your data comes from, but it says gun deaths, which would include suicide, which are a big % of gun deaths, but aren't applicable when talking about violent crime.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/states-hi...ders-data-show

https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...crime-us-state

Look at rates of divorce by decade, rates of fatherlessness. Any social scientist will say there's a direct correlation to violence with young boys especially. But you know better than everyone. Good for you.

"which state has more Guns "

What matters when comparing states, is ownership rates. Not the absolute number of guns, Einstein. If you took a math class you'd know that. But keep distorting the data to fit your preferred narrative.

I saw on CNN today that some of the 5 Memphis cops were hired after the city lowered its hiring guidelines to promote diversity. I'm sure that makes the victim's parents feel a lot better!

With many professions, diversity should get zero weight, competence gets 100% weight. Not a lot of short white people in the NBA, so as unimportant as that is, a meritocracy is OK. But not with cops, firefighters, doctors, teachers, etc. Makes all kinds of sense. it just makes SO MUCH sense. The town of Hamden CT just put out a proposal to lower the physical requirements to be a firefighter, sop they could hire more women. Awesome. Just so brilliant.