Rons at it again

[Pete F.]

As I said
Failure to lock up all their books until they could be "vetted" by censors, teachers were warned, put them at risk of being prosecuted as felons.
I’m sure you would take the risk…

The facts of this situation are straightforward: A Florida law signed by DeSantis requires that every book available to students "must be selected by a school district employee who holds a valid educational media specialist certificate," in most cases, the school librarian. This may sound reasonable on its surface, but as the situation in Manatee County shows, in reality, it's about creating a bottleneck preventing books from getting into the hands of students. Even more importantly, it's about establishing the idea that books are inherently dangerous objects, to the degree that no student can be allowed to handle one without heavy-handed surveillance.

Moreover, even if the librarians in Florida are not themselves interested in being the reading police, they may feel they have no choice. DeSantis has made it quite clear what kinds of ideas he believes should be banned in the state of Florida. He doesn't want schools to acknowledge that LGBTQ people exist. He's banned the teaching of Black history classes on the grounds that lessons on people like Frederick Douglass or Rosa Parks, for instance, "have no educational value." He has been forcing schools to teach a lie, that racism is not the cause of racial inequality. With that level of pressure, it is no surprise that schools would simply err on the side of having few, if any, books available. If books return to the shelves, they may likely be heavily limited to those that portray the world like it's a 1950s sitcom, which pretty much guarantees they'll go unread, as such themes hold little interest to kids in 21st-century America.

When it comes to keeping kids from reading much, if at all, DeSantis' policy is a smashing success. He's established the idea that no student should ever be allowed to just grab a book and read on their own. He's stigmatized basic curiosity. Big Brother must always be watching, a reference kids probably won't get if "1984" is no longer a book readers can just pick up.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A Florida law signed by DeSantis requires that every book available to students "must be selected by a school district employee who holds a valid educational media specialist certificate," in most cases, the school librarian.
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Not true. That's only true if the book isn't on the already-approved list of approved books, and as I quoted, the county school manager said most books teachers would have in their classrooms, are already on that list and therefore do not need approval.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Not true. That's only true if the book isn't on the already-approved list of approved books, and as I quoted, the county school manager said most books teachers would have in their classrooms, are already on that list and therefore do not need approval.

Who’s list?
What’s the penalty?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Who’s list?
What’s the penalty?
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The state's list. No idea what the penalty is.

So why did you lie, and say every book has to get approved by essentially the librarian, when according to the county manager, most of the books are already approved and require no further action?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The state's list. No idea what the penalty is.

So why did you lie, and say every book has to get approved by essentially the librarian, when according to the county manager, most of the books are already approved and require no further action?

The STATE’s list, definitely not fascist.

The penalty is being charged with a felony.
Now think what would happen if some wacko, who has said many times that teachers and or their union is evil, decided to claim that their child received a “bad” book from a teacher, maybe even the person negotiating for the teacher’s contract.
Who pays the lawyers to deal with that?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The STATE’s list, definitely not fascist.

The penalty is being charged with a felony.
Now think what would happen if some wacko, who has said many times that teachers and or their union is evil, decided to claim that their child received a “bad” book from a teacher, maybe even the person negotiating for the teacher’s contract.
Who pays the lawyers to deal with that?
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the state also sets standards for who can teach. is that fascist?

does the state get to
mandate anything einstein? speed limits,,penal
law, anything?

you’re coming totally unglued.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the state also sets standards for who can teach. is that fascist?

does the state get to
mandate anything einstein? speed limits,,penal
law, anything?

you’re coming totally unglued.

Poor victim, needs the State to tell him what is ok to read.
You’re talking about the same state that’s allowing uncertified people to teach because they’ve driven people out of the profession?
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