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Old 09-18-2021, 08:34 AM   #1
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Not really. seeing union workers across the nation membership rate—was 10.8 percent and a small percent are in the Auto industry. And actually have a small foot print in the overall voter block .


Yet The auto industry is one of the most important industries in the United States. It historically has contributed 3 – 3.5 percent to the overall Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

So it makes sense to motivate both good paying job and EVs

Win Win

As for Tesla or Vw or Toyota all non union shops these workers and companies can get the tax credit if they are union. It’s a choice they and their employees need to make .. like get a vaccine or you don’t get to work in a hospital..

These right to work states want the benefits of union representatives but mandated they don’t have to pay

Seem these same states want the same with Covid they want the benefit of a vaccine and vaccinated people and the economically benefit .. with out actually taking
The vaccine …. Funny how that works
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“it makes sense to motivate good paying jobs and EVs”

you missed the entire point. entirely. why do union-made EVs deserve more federal motivation than EVs made by Honda and Tesla?

Why is it more important to the federal government that Ford succeed, than it is that Tesla succeed?

That’s the only question. And you won’t answer it.

As to unions, if they’re so great, why is membership mandatory? How come every single time they make membership voluntary, so many people opt out?
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Old 09-18-2021, 02:55 PM   #2
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“it makes sense to motivate good paying jobs and EVs”

you missed the entire point. entirely. why do union-made EVs deserve more federal motivation than EVs made by Honda and Tesla?

Why is it more important to the federal government that Ford succeed, than it is that Tesla succeed?

That’s the only question. And you won’t answer it.

As to unions, if they’re so great, why is membership mandatory? How come every single time they make membership voluntary, so many people opt out?
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Union membership isn’t required to be in a union , you are not required to be a card carrying member. but you are required to pay what’s called an agency’s fee. Seeing you are benefiting from collective bargaining . In your pay and benefits

But this benefit is for the buyers of the EV cars not the union. Directly


The incentives include a current $7,500 tax credit to purchase a plug-in electric vehicle as well as $500 if the vehicle’s battery is made in the U.S. The bill also removes a 200,000-vehicle phase-out of the credit, allowing GM and Tesla customers to once again be eligible for the incentive. Buyers of EVs produced by unionized workers in the U.S. would be eligible for an additional $4,500 in tax credits, bringing the total incentives to $12,500

seems it is allowing the consumer to decide which product will benefit them the most. I doubt someone looking to buy a Tesla is going to buy a Nissan Leaf because the 4500 if they were union built .. 2 different cars for completely different drivers

Like the vaccines Money is the only way industry gets motivated to move in new directions
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Old 09-18-2021, 05:29 PM   #3
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Union membership isn’t required to be in a union , you are not required to be a card carrying member. but you are required to pay what’s called an agency’s fee. Seeing you are benefiting from collective bargaining . In your pay and benefits

But this benefit is for the buyers of the EV cars not the union. Directly


The incentives include a current $7,500 tax credit to purchase a plug-in electric vehicle as well as $500 if the vehicle’s battery is made in the U.S. The bill also removes a 200,000-vehicle phase-out of the credit, allowing GM and Tesla customers to once again be eligible for the incentive. Buyers of EVs produced by unionized workers in the U.S. would be eligible for an additional $4,500 in tax credits, bringing the total incentives to $12,500

seems it is allowing the consumer to decide which product will benefit them the most. I doubt someone looking to buy a Tesla is going to buy a Nissan Leaf because the 4500 if they were union built .. 2 different cars for completely different drivers

Like the vaccines Money is the only way industry gets motivated to move in new directions
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i taught for awhile, was in the union,saw where my money was going and talked to a lawyer about getting out of the union, went nowhere, they’re too powerful.

i completely agree that those who opt out should not be part of union negotiated agreements on pay and benefits ( why should they?). but why should i give them money so that i can teach? why does a private organization say i have to give them money so i can teach children?

and almost everything a teachers union does, is at the expense of children, not for them. was a big big reason why i quit. they could care less about kids.

not all
unions are like that obviously. but the teachers unions could teach the mafia lessons about endless greed and corruption and strong arm
tactics.
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