Palins Alaska

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Which is it Spence? Is he someone who can speak eloquently and brilliantly on the political issues? Or is he someone who cannot effectively explain political issues to tens of millions of Americans?

You're mixing issues here.

As a campaigner, Obama did a very good job of articulating his individual positions on policy...this isn't the same as an Administration controlling a complex political dialogue that influences public opinion.

Spence, you are one of those folks who have no limit to how far backwards you will bend over to make up excuses for this guy. He's never wrong, and nothing is ever his fault.

Clearly then you don't read very well. You just quoted me being critical of Obama and then in almost the same breadth accuse me of fealty.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

When Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin are the thought leadership of your party you've got problems.

-spence

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Jim:I'm not rehashing the tired debate of Wright and Ayers, and am not in this thread for the Obama vs Palin credentials....then you bring in the queen of trashy, crappy reality TV, Kate Goslin, and expect to be taking seriously? Please..
yes, because relationships with terrorists and America hating radicals tell us absolutely nothing about the character of our President but... Sarah meets Kate...now there's something that we as Americans should be greatly concerned about....pretty interesting
hey, Oprah had Mike Tyson and Al Gore on her show...talk about sleazy, lying dirtbags....she must have no credability with you


let's see...

Rush and Sarah, two people that love America, espouse traditional American values, American exceptionalism and freedoms and adherence to our Constitutional principles

versus

Barack Obama and George Soros

two men with great disdain for America and who wish to transform it into a European Style Socialist Welfare State........

tough call.....

clearly, the democrats don't have any leadership "problems"....right?
I think the word "seething" is being used to describe them this morning

she's hot in camo too!

[spence]

I think it's reasonable that she can't be a total dunce as she did become Gov before she hit the spotlight.

That being said, had she not had looks it's fair to assume she wouldn't have been picked for McCain's gamble.

Had she not been thrust into the spotlight, it's fair to assume we wouldn't even know who she was.

Today we have Palin's Alaska, Bristol on DWTS and Levi in Playgirl.

I say good for them.

But to think Palin's current position in the GOP is about HER STRENGTH is absurd. She's being used by the media as a novelty and the GOP is laughing all the way to the bank.

-spence

[stripermaineiac]

Funny part is with this and the last election she may be the ist female presidential candidate that might be someone to look at. Ilooked at her political record up there an she's a sight better than the bozo in the white house right now. Plus she can prove she came from here.

[The Dad Fisherman]

I knew it was inevitable......I cast ye into the Pit of Despair.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I knew it was inevitable......I cast ye into the Pit of Despair.

Spence is right, fortunate timing for her....she hit a home run with her first National appearance and has been fueled by BOTH those that hate her and those that love her ever since....

does this inject some new blood into the political forum?....

[Raven]

...............old blood havin fun....

don't want a cranky female President.... like her

one with vision and POWER yes


she's to much of a Mommy dearest

[scottw]

we could use a few new bloods to replace those that Spence unleashed his brain on and chased away forever

[justplugit]

P. be careful, don't get sucked in, remember what happened to me on TMOA
plug swap. I shoulda listenend to you.
Now listen to me.

[ProfessorM]

LOL . Hey Dave always great to hear from you.Yes Dave. Every once in a while I post something in this forum and then very soon after I realize I am not in Kansas anymore and I am exposed for the nit wit I really am. I am heeding your warning. I am out of my element here. It's a pretty scary place.. I only look in here once in a while, but I'm usually just peeking. I thought i would be ok because this didn't start in here it was on the main fishing forum where I feel comfortable but I should have know it was just a sting operation and I got bagged. I'll stick to music where I can just delete anything I don't like. Have a great X mas Dave. P.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

LOL . Hey Dave always great to hear from you.Yes Dave. Every once in a while I post something in this forum and then very soon after I realize I am not in Kansas anymore and I am exposed for the nit wit I really am. I am heeding your warning. I am out of my element here. It's a pretty scary place.. I only look in here once in a while, but I'm usually just peeking. I thought i would be ok because this didn't start in here it was on the main fishing forum where I feel comfortable but I should have know it was just a sting operation and I got bagged. I'll stick to music where I can just delete anything I don't like. Have a great X mas Dave. P.

Too funnie, ya, an addictive sting operation.
Merry Christmas to you and your family too, P.

[MarshCappa]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

LOL . Hey Dave always great to hear from you.Yes Dave. Every once in a while I post something in this forum and then very soon after I realize I am not in Kansas anymore and I am exposed for the nit wit I really am. I am heeding your warning. I am out of my element here. It's a pretty scary place.. I only look in here once in a while, but I'm usually just peeking. I thought i would be ok because this didn't start in here it was on the main fishing forum where I feel comfortable but I should have know it was just a sting operation and I got bagged. I'll stick to music where I can just delete anything I don't like. Have a great X mas Dave. P.

I feel the same way in this forum. I promise i wasn't trying to expose you here!

[ProfessorM]

No problem I took the bait hook, line an sinker. You set me up. I'm just waiting for Conn. Jim to come into the music forum and say he doesn't like some musician's style. Then I can show what a real moron I am. With my luck he is probably a closet music aficionado and I'll be humbled again, but no one will ever see it because I got the inside track

[buckman]

I'm not a big fan of Palin in anyway, but I do like the show. Last nights show about hunting with her Dad in the remote areas above the Artic Circle was pretty good. She sure does not appear to have let fame change her much.

[stripermaineiac]

MMMMMM I wonder what type of degree G Washington had or Lincoln or good old Andy Jackson... We seem to forget that this is supposed to be a democracy, If your a citizen of the United States of America you have the right to run for and hold political office and in some states that's even with a criminal record.Get off your high horses. Some of the stupidest an most narrow minded people out there have so many DEGREE'S and look so good on paper you'd think they could walk on water.On paper don't mean didly when it comes to being a boss and having integrity.You need the back bone to stand up and represent your country not an idioligy or idea.We've lacked that for a while as everyone seems more worried with the world economy instead of ours.Just some input . Ron

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

Some of the stupidest an most narrow minded people out there have so many DEGREE'S and look so good on paper you'd think they could walk on water.On paper don't mean didly when it comes to being a boss and having integrity.You need the back bone to stand up and represent your country not an idioligy or idea.

Yup. If we ever get back to integrity, true representation of the people,no
personal agendas, and common sense, we will be on the road to healing the
divisions.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Well, she is certainly showing her POTUS credentials on next week's episode when she takes Kate Goslin (THAT Kat Goslin) and her brood camping.. Seriously? What's next? Fishing with Snooki and The Situation?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Well, she is certainly showing her POTUS credentials on next week's episode when she takes Kate Goslin (THAT Kat Goslin) and her brood camping.. Seriously? What's next? Fishing with Snooki and The Situation?

Let me get this straight, I want to make sure I understand. A TV show that shows what a close-knit family the Palins are, that takes place in thwe outdoors, is un-presidential. OK, I actually agree with that.

How about a guy who sits in Rev Wright's church for 20 years? A guy who has a political fundraiser hosted by an admitted, unrepentent terrorist, who put pipe bombs in police cars?

Please tell us how those thiings are more presidential than what Palin is doing.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

How about a guy who sits in Rev Wright's church for 20 years? A guy who has a political fundraiser hosted by an admitted, unrepentent terrorist, who put pipe bombs in police cars?

Please tell us how those thiings are more presidential than what Palin is doing.

Agree, reality TV bothering bears in the wild is akin to talking about Jesus. Excellent point...

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Agree, reality TV bothering bears in the wild is akin to talking about Jesus. Excellent point...

-spence

That is the single most ridiculous Internet post I have aver read, and boy that's saying somehting.

Spence, you really, REALLY think that all Rev Wright did was "talk about Jesus"?

When he claimed that the US Government invented the AIDS virus with the specific intent of eliminating blacks from the face of the Earth, where was the Jesus reference?

When he referred to our country as "the U.S. of KKK", where was the Jesus reference?

When he said that we got what we deserved on 09/11 (when he said Americans chickens simply came home to roost that day), where was the Jesus reference?

If all Wright did was talk about Jesus, I don't think it would have been an issue.

"talking about Jesus". That makes about as much sense as boiling down Osama Bin Laden's life mission to merely "talking about Allah, nothing more".

Spence, have you been painting inside with the windows shut? You need to open the windows a bit.

How old are you? Does your Mommy know you're on the Internet?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

When he said that we got what we deserved on 09/11 (when he said Americans chickens simply came home to roost that day), where was the Jesus reference?


How old are you? Does your Mommy know you're on the Internet?

I can't pass this one up. I know there is a lot of negative, potentially racist comments said by Wright, and make no attempt to justify or applaud/condemn them. BUT... this one was such a talking point with the "Obama hates America crowd' that I can't not paste this. I will add, that as a full blown Agnostic, former Catholic, I know many people who sit in the Catholic church every Sunday but do not believe or agree with every single statement said by the priest/minister, and suspect that is the same for many people of many faiths. However, as an Obama supporter in '08, I don't like the fact, that he just didn't switch churches, however I suspect it was a political move to not lose his base when he was running in Chicago.

As far as it being a tired thread, it has been discussed here in previous posts, and I didn't want to rehash my arguments. Whats next? Birth certificates?


Spence just turned 40. I know because there was a surprise party his former fishing partners 9since he doesn't actually fish anymore) weren't invited to


Below was pasted from a Op-ed by Roland Martin, CNN. Bold emphasis added by me.

"I have now actually listened to the sermon Rev. Wright gave after September 11 titled, "The Day of Jerusalem's Fall." It was delivered on Sept. 16, 2001.
ALT TEXT

One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned "chickens coming home to roost." He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan's terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That's what he told the congregation.

He was quoting Peck as saying that America's foreign policy has put the nation in peril:

"I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday did anybody else see or hear him? He was on FOX News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the FOX News commentators to no end, he pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, he said Americas chickens, are coming home to roost.”"



I guess Edward peck hates America too....

[RIROCKHOUND]

Jim:
I'm not rehashing the tired debate of Wright and Ayers, and am not in this thread for the Obama vs Palin credentials.

She is a sell-out, period.
She left her office where she was this supposedly great Governor to make money and be a celebrity. She can spin it as it is what she needs to do, I say BS.

She wants a reality show to showcase Alaska, fine, I can deal with that, except then you bring in the queen of trashy, crappy reality TV, Kate Goslin, and expect to be taking seriously? Please.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Jim:
I'm not rehashing the tired debate of Wright and Ayers, and am not in this thread for the Obama vs Palin credentials.

She is a sell-out, period.
She left her office where she was this supposedly great Governor to make money and be a celebrity. She can spin it as it is what she needs to do, I say BS.

She wants a reality show to showcase Alaska, fine, I can deal with that, except then you bring in the queen of trashy, crappy reality TV, Kate Goslin, and expect to be taking seriously? Please.

"I'm not rehashing the tired debate of Wright and Ayers, and am not in this thread for the Obama vs Palin credentials."

Let me make sure I got this right. You point out her flaws, which I actually agree with. When I point out that Obama had similar (in my opinion worse) flaws, you dion't want to talk about those because they are "tired" points to you.

That's what liberals do. When you make a valid point, they end the debate. Usually by claiming racism. At least you didn't play that card.

A serious person might try to explain why Obama's associations are less eggregious than Palin's associating with Kate.

If you want to say it's un-presedential to do a reality show, I agree with you, you don't need to convince me. However, I happen to have an easier time swallowing a one-time appearance with Kate Gosselin than a lifelong intimate frienship with Rev Wright, or a long-term political relationship with a would-be mass murderer like Ayers. I think my point i srational and valid, you dismiss it as "tired" without even atempting to address my point.

[scottw]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;If you want to say it's un-presedential to do a reality show, I agree with you, you don't need to convince me. QUOTE]

is it "un-presidential" or an appropriate display of "POTUS credentials" .... particularly when you are actually "the President" to have sex with an intern in the Oval Office repeatedly ? declare your granny a "typical white person" with racist biases in a National broadcast ?....call the Cambridge Police "stupid" in another National Broadcast? ...just wondering...don't really want to rehash old stuff....but.....you are exactly right Jim....the things that concern and do not concern them are mind boggling...we are on the verge of collapse and some are indignant over Sarah's guest on her little tv show as though she is the threat to our future rather than the radical that they voted for and the jackels that he's intalled in our government...God help us.....

let's do this...for those that are upset about Palin as a Presidential hopeful....


Larry Agran
Jerry Brown
Bill Clinton
Bob Kerrey
Tom Harkin
Paul Tsongas
Douglas Wilder
Tom Laughlin
Eugene McCarthy
Al Gore
Jesse Jackson
John Kerry
Howard Dean
Bill Bradley
Lyndon LaRouche
Al Sharpton
John Edwards
#^&#^&#^&#^& Gephart
Dennis Kucinich
Carol Moseley Braun
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson
Mike Gravel?

[RIJIMMY]

Man, Jim in Ct is getting fired up. its awesome.
If you're ever in MA, let me know, I like to buy you a few beers!

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Man, Jim in Ct is getting fired up. its awesome.
If you're ever in MA, let me know, I like to buy you a few beers!

This is great. I don't even have to post in here anymore. I can sit back and watch someone else make Spence look foolish.

And I'll be happy to buy a few beers, too.

RIJIMMY, where have you been? Seems like you haven't been in here as much lately.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by fishbones

RIJIMMY, where have you been? Seems like you haven't been in here as much lately.

Been slammed at work. Nights, weekends - just a busy time of year. I still come here for comedy relief. I pounded the Rev. Wright drum hard during the election. Thats something I could not get over and I know I posted at the time that if I was anywhere, church, public forum, theatre and someone on stage was spitting out the crap the Wright said, I grab my family and walk out.

[RIJIMMY]

Bryan, its all business 101. If a lowly URI business graduate like me gets it, they need to as well!
There is no budget for 2011 is there? If no, you cant say that the tax cuts cost us anything! Tax = Revenue. A budget should be Revenue - expenses = surplus or defecit.
So if the tax rates are extended - Revenue is relatively fixed....on the BOTTOM end. Market goes up, businesses do well, etc....we can take in more revenue.
So all this talk that were funding tax breaks with the defecit is foolish. We need to greatly reduce spending and get this country making money. I know you know this, but just restating.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Bryan, its all business 101. If a lowly URI business graduate like me gets it, they need to as well!
There is no budget for 2011 is there? If no, you cant say that the tax cuts cost us anything! Tax = Revenue. A budget should be Revenue - expenses = surplus or defecit.
So if the tax rates are extended - Revenue is relatively fixed....on the BOTTOM end. Market goes up, businesses do well, etc....we can take in more revenue.
So all this talk that were funding tax breaks with the defecit is foolish. We need to greatly reduce spending and get this country making money. I know you know this, but just restating.

I agree with this, however, show me how the cutting is being accomplished from either side of the aisle right now? It certainly didn't happen under the last administration with unfunded wars and lower taxes....

It is also a good thing to remember, that even without the Bush tax cuts, we are way below historic tax levels.... what was the percentage post WWII? Was it higher than today (to pay for the War???)

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I agree with this, however, show me how this is being accomplished from either side of the aisle right now? It certainly didn't happen under the last administration with unfunded wars and lower taxes....

It is also a good thing to remember, that even without the Bush tax cuts, we are way below historic tax levels.... what was the percentage post WWII? Was it higher than today (to pay for the War???)

I think its the first step. The legislation was pending, it had to be resolved. Next - lets cut spending. I think the tea party leaders were pretty vocal after 11/2 - repubs you're up, what are you gonna do? They better step up. I dont think they'll get free ride.
we had a budget surplus in this country under Clinton, not because of some brillaint budgetary moves, but teh country was cranking with the dot-com market. Lots of capital gains. We need to crank again. Only business can crank, government wanks. Government out of the way. Its the only solution I see.