Kavanaugh

[Pete F.]

Did Kavanaugh repeatedly lie to Congress is the question?

The Supreme Court nominee has been adamant that while he enjoys beer and perhaps at time drank “too many,” it was never to the point of passing out, blacking out, or even causing slight lapses in memory.

He grew “belligerent and aggressive” as a drunk, according to Chad Ludington, one of Kavanaugh’s former classmates.

Liz Swisher, another former Yale classmate “There’s no problem with drinking beer in college. The problem is lying about it.”

In 2004, Kavanaugh said he did not “personally” handle the nomination of Judge William Pryor, who currently sits on the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals (which covers Alabama, Georgia, and Florida).

Kavanaugh, who worked in Bush’s White House counsel office in the early 2000s, distanced himself from Pryor’s nomination in 2004, saying during his own confirmation hearing, “No, I was not involved in handling his nomination.”

Between 2002 and 2003, Kavanaugh is included in several emails referencing the Pryor nomination. In one exchange between Kavanaugh and White House aide Kyle Sampson, Kavanaugh is asked: “How did the Pryor interview go?” He responded, “Call me.” In another email chain, Kavanaugh is included in a conversation about a conference call to “coordinate plans and efforts” around Pryor.

There’s also the case of the improperly obtained Democratic files, detailing strategies for opposing Bush’s judicial nominees in the 2000s, which a Republican Senate aide circulated with White House staff.

In 2004, Kavanaugh claimed that he had never seen “any documents that appeared ... to have been drafted or prepared by Democratic staff members of the Senate Judiciary Committee.” But an email between the Republican staffer and Kavanaugh showed him receiving some of the documents.

Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) asked Kavanaugh directly: “Are Ramirez’s allegations about you true?”

Kavanaugh responded with a little slithery lawyer speak, “None of the witnesses in the room support that. If that had happened, that would have been the talk of campus in our freshman dorm.” And apparently interviewing his dorm-mates is not worth doing.

[Got Stripers]

We have a sexual predator in the White House it shouldn’t surprise anyone the FBI’s investigation was limited in time and scope.
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[nightfighter]

Everyone in Washington is scum. And it is a result of where they have chosen to spend their professional lives in their working lives, making decisions related to their career advancement, NOT the result of how they spent their social time at college.… I am not about to condone rape, assault, or other morally wrong predation, but... it is the onus of a victim to come forward and state an 'attack' took place, is it not? Given the widespread coverage of the MeToo movement, one would have to think that any woman (or man) who had long ago been the victim of such an attack, that they would have used that platform to come forward...
I was in a large, rowdy, jock fraternity at UMass in the late 70s. Hell, I ended up president of the thing.... So I saw plenty of chit. And dealt with the PD when necessary... The MeToo movement had me racking my memory bank, believe me. Drinking blurs the lines. But heavy alcohol consumption was the norm of the time. This was discussed at a recent funeral of a fraternity brother that was heavily attended by my house and the widow's sorority sisters. We partied and played HARD... But that was not what has made us who we are or have become professionally. And that is what concerns me more when considering a candidate for POTUS, Senate, Congress, SCOTUS or an employee. Not how they partied in college...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Everyone in Washington is scum. And it is a result of where they have chosen to spend their professional lives in their working lives, making decisions related to their career advancement, NOT the result of how they spent their social time at college.… I am not about to condone rape, assault, or other morally wrong predation, but... it is the onus of a victim to come forward and state an 'attack' took place, is it not? Given the widespread coverage of the MeToo movement, one would have to think that any woman (or man) who had long ago been the victim of such an attack, that they would have used that platform to come forward...
I was in a large, rowdy, jock fraternity at UMass in the late 70s. Hell, I ended up president of the thing.... So I saw plenty of chit. And dealt with the PD when necessary... The MeToo movement had me racking my memory bank, believe me. Drinking blurs the lines. But heavy alcohol consumption was the norm of the time. This was discussed at a recent funeral of a fraternity brother that was heavily attended by my house and the widow's sorority sisters. We partied and played HARD... But that was not what has made us who we are or have become professionally. And that is what concerns me more when considering a candidate for POTUS, Senate, Congress, SCOTUS or an employee. Not how they partied in college...

Very well said.

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

But that was not what has made us who we are or have become professionally. And that is what concerns me more when considering a candidate for POTUS, Senate, Congress, SCOTUS or an employee. Not how they partied in college...

I would generally agree. That being said if Kavanaugh responded that way he might have gotten a pass, instead he denied most of everything and made up stories to cover his college days that he documented.

What's even crazier is that he blamed the entire think on a Clinton conspiracy when he was a participant in the Clinton conspiracy era of the 1990s.

I don't want to hang anyone for behavior in college if it's not provable but his performance during the hearings was below par for SCOTUS.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I would generally agree. That being said if Kavanaugh responded that way he might have gotten a pass, instead he denied most of everything and made up stories to cover his college days that he documented.

Did he document the sexual assault he was accused of?

I don't want to hang anyone for behavior in college if it's not provable but his performance during the hearings was below par for SCOTUS.

That's debatable. It seems that you do want to hang him. Maybe you believe a subpar performance (I thought he performed well) merits hanging.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

his performance during the hearings was below par for SCOTUS.

I'm glad he defended himself and stood up to the dirty democrats who were trying desperately to destroy him in the most despicable ways imaginable.....

[Got Stripers]

No offense Ross and having been a U-Mass Amherst SAE fraternity member in the 70’s, I hear you. However I was also married to a women who was so emotionally f’ed up by a similar sexual predator in her high school senior year, nobody in her family, police or even myself learned about it until I was married for ten years. Sh*t like that will to some make those memories get buried as that is how they need to deal. The witnesses are IMHO far more important as they were not emotionally impaired by the incident and all should have been interviewed, this is a LIFE long appointment not a two or four year term.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

No offense Ross and having been a U-Mass Amherst SAE fraternity member in the 70’s, I hear you. However I was also married to a women who was so emotionally f’ed up by a similar sexual predator in her high school senior year, nobody in her family, police or even myself learned about it until I was married for ten years. Sh*t like that will to some make those memories get buried as that is how they need to deal. The witnesses are IMHO far more important as they were not emotionally impaired by the incident and all should have been interviewed, this is a LIFE long appointment not a two or four year term.
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how traumatized can one be, if one chooses to go to a naked party with drunk college kids, and someone’s private’s touch your hand. i’m sorry, thus isnt from the screenplay of The Accused. how many times
did you go to an alcohol fueled party in college and not have physical contact with anyone there. she’s lucky she didn’t get gang raped putting herself in that idiotic situation. there might have been a Kennedy there, in which case she’d be swimming with the fishes.
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[Nebe]

The thing that discredits this guy to me is that he is not politically neutral. Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white. This guy to me is a puppet. Nothing more. I’m sure after a few years we can review his decisions of things and see what I mean.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The thing that discredits this guy to me is that he is not politically neutral. Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white. This guy to me is a puppet. Nothing more. I’m sure after a few years we can review his decisions of things and see what I mean.
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Actually, he is a disappointment to constitutional "conservatives." He is proving to be more of a "centrist" than a textualist.

Just curious, which SCOTUS Judges do you consider politically neutral?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Actually, he is a disappointment to constitutional "conservatives." He is proving to be more of a "centrist" than a textualist.

Just curious, which SCOTUS Judges do you consider politically neutral?

ginsberg
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ginsberg
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Yeah right.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The thing that discredits this guy to me is that he is not politically neutral. Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white. This guy to me is a puppet. Nothing more. I’m sure after a few years we can review his decisions of things and see what I mean.
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He has already demonstrated otherwise.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white.
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that is a spectacular argument in favor of judges that only conservatives appoint. put personal politics aside
and do what the constitution says, whether you happen to like it or
not.

using your litmus rest, sotomayor could never have gotten confirmed, she was routinely overturned
by higher judges.
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[Jim in CT]

also
worth noting that the “credible witness” to this event, also isnt speaking, and didn’t talk to the NYT. they spoke to friends of his, who claim he told them that he witnessed this.

so it’s a second hand account, that at a drunken
naked party 25 years ago, that someone pushed kavanaughs private’s into a woman’s hand, and the woman won’t corroborate.

this is an absolute joke.
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[Jim in CT]

The latest kavanaugh claims are a joke, and the NYT made fools of themselves for editing the story the way they did. journalism doesn’t get much more yellow than that.
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[Pete F.]

The larger problem is that it appears Kavanaugh lied to Congress.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The larger problem is that it appears Kavanaugh lied to Congress.

Yeah, that "appears" thing can be a large problem and can lead to a very expensive, waste of precious congressional time spent on things like Russian collusion.

It's ironic to me that lying to Congress is a crime while these reprobates that occupy those congressional seats lie to us in order to get elected, and when they win, they continue to lie to us nearly every time they speak politically. And, if we support them, we understand and accept why they have to lie, just so long as they do it in a skillful, polished, sophisticated manner.