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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Given that you could care less shows your lack of compassion - glad you admit it. However, an individual not taking in someone who they don't know doesn't show a lack of compassion.

I agree 100% with what you said.

But Paul, why should southern states bear the overwhelming majority of this burden? If the left advocates for open borders and sanctuary cities, shouldn't the left WANT these people in their communities?

I'm not saying you or Wayne should let these people live in your house to practice what you preach. But if your side actually believes what you claim to believe (instead of engaging in empty, unprincipled, woke virtue-signaling), then the communities which advocate for this, would insist on paying taxes to build enclaves where these immigrants can live.

Just last week, the mayor of NYC announced he may have to cut vital social services to tax paying New Yorkers, and divert that cash to take care of the larger-than-typical number of illegals living there.

If NYC can't handle a few more, how are the citizens in AZ and TX supposed to respond to the avalanche they deal with every day?

As you are fond of pointing out, the red southern states are poorer than northern blue states. Given that, how are they supposed to deal with this?

It just really looks like your side likes to look good by advocating for open borders and establishing sanctuary cities, but then they get angry when faced with the real, inevitable consequences of that policy.

I'm anti abortion. If abortion were ever outlawed (and it won't be), I'd be thrilled to pay more in taxes to build whatever facilities are needed to care for the larger number of babies that would then exist. I don't see liberals thrilled at the prospect of stepping up and accepting responsibility for the inevitable results of what they claim to advocate here. They want open borders, but they want someone else to deal with it. Wayne clearly expects someone else to deal with it, as did the swells on Marthas Vineyard.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But Paul, why should southern states bear the overwhelming majority of this burden?

Never said that they should and I can understand them sending busloads of people north but they are doing it in a way that inflicts maximum hurt on those people. NYC mayor adams asked to be notified when the buses would arrive and they won't do it. What is the downside to doing it other than it doesn't inflict as much damage on those people.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Never said that they should and I can understand them sending busloads of people north but they are doing it in a way that inflicts maximum hurt on those people. NYC mayor adams asked to be notified when the buses would arrive and they won't do it. What is the downside to doing it other than it doesn't inflict as much damage on those people.

i didn’t mean to claim you think they should ( i’m confident you don’t believe that, but wayne thinks that, because he thinks the crisis is all a right wing myth) but the fact is, they are. They bear the brunt of this. it’s not even close to fair.

havent the feds bussed and flown these people around in the middle of the night as well? but that’s ok?

Agreed, they should be told they’re coming. That’s not much to ask!

Every state should have to take a proportionate share. Nothing unfair about that. But the islanders on the Vineyard had no interest in that. They claim they have no infrastructure for them. Who does?

Hard to believe we can’t agree that it’s a good idea to have a sealed up border. But the two sides can’t agree even in that.

Anyway hope you guys had a good holiday and enjoy an awesome 2023.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Every state should have to take a proportionate share. Nothing unfair about that. But the islanders on the Vineyard had no interest in that. They claim they have no infrastructure for them. Who does?

Hard to believe we can’t agree that it’s a good idea to have a sealed up border. But the two sides can’t agree even in that.

But if Abbott sent EVERY busload to the vineyard you and Ronnie's arguement seem to be that they should ALL be allowed to stay there.


Both sides need to agree on comprehensive immigration reform from border security to visas to allowing PHD students we train to stay here - and more.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But if Abbott sent EVERY busload to the vineyard you and Ronnie's arguement seem to be that they should ALL be allowed to stay there.


Both sides need to agree on comprehensive immigration reform from border security to visas to allowing PHD students we train to stay here - and more.

i’d never seriously say that martha’s vineyard should take them all. They couldn’t come close to all fitting there. But the optics were pretty funny that the wealthiest liberals to be found who advocate for these policies, called in the military to get them the hell off their little exclusive island enclave. “not in my backyard” kind of a thing.

Paul, i have said many times the GOP is too pigheaded and extremist when it comes to guns. I’d say the same thing about democrats when it comes to border security.

If people like you were in congress, you’d figure it out before lunch on the first day. Because it’s not hard to figure out border security if you are guided by logic rather than by partisan rhetoric. I’d bet there are very few western developed nations that are as far away as we are, from dealing with it. Because we elect whores instead of problem
solvers, and that applies to both sides.