3 more cops assassinated, Obama says we eed to focus on words that unite

[PaulS]

I disagree. Nothing he says or does other than lighting the White House blue will show he really is supporting the victims.

And I don't know why he won't say "radical islamic terrorism". If he does all our terrorism problems go away.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And I don't know why he won't say "radical islamic terrorism". If he does all our terrorism problems go away.

Again, liberalism 101 says that when the facts and common sense are against you (as they often will be when you are a liberal), instead of responding to what people are saying, make believe they are saying something crazy, and respond to that.

No one thinks that the problem goes away if he says out loud what the reality is. But it makes him appear more honest, more serious, less radical, more grounded, and slightly less foolish.

Where leaders lead, followers will follow. When he says something idiotic, like comparing Islamic atrocities with those of other religions (God knows I am just as concerned with the Mormons as I am with Muslims), some people (Spence comes to mind), who don't question anything Obama says, might believe it's true.

The man has the biggest pulpit in the world. Words matter. The truth matters. Maybe not to liberals (based on your kooky accusation that anyone thinks terrorism will go away if he says it out loud), but many people (most of whom Obama would dismiss as bitter clingers) believe that speaking the truth, has value.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Words matter. The truth matters.

That is so funny I had to quote it 2x.

From a person who is a member of a group where like 50% believed he the Pres. was a Muslim and think he was born in Kenya. Also, where EVERY Presidential candidate was judged to have been more dishonest then EVERY Presidential candidate of the Dem. party.

Jus saw on the news Melania seems to be having issues of her own. Stole some of her speach. She should just admit she used part of other people's speach - no big deal. But it is the Trump way.

[DZ]

Just saw the Melania plagiarism story - sounds like she needs to apologize and probably fire one of the speech writers.

That said the rest of the convention's first night was outstanding.

[spence]

Originally Posted by DZ

Just saw the Melania plagiarism story - sounds like she needs to apologize and probably fire one of the speech writers.

That said the rest of the convention's first night was outstanding.

I doubt she had any idea, it was a PR stunt to grab headlines.

It was pretty terrifying to be honest. My favorite was the interview with Antonio Sabato after his speech where he claimed Obama was a Muslim and sided with the Middle East.

Also good were the 13 hours guys who pushed the stand down order even though 8 investigations haven't found any evidence.

It's just a reality TV show convention for a reality TV show campaign.

As much as some people dislike Clinton I simply can't fathom how Trump can get a moment's consideration. Vote for Johnson or write someone in. Please.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I simply can't fathom how Trump can get a moment's consideration. Vote for Johnson or write someone in. Please.

Given that you are the only person I have ever heard say that she didn't lie about coming under sniper fire, you might consider the possibility that you are the one who is off kilter, not everyone else.

Here's why he gets my vote, and why a lot of people will plug their nose and vote for him (though probably not enough will do it for him to be competitive). If I was an unborn baby, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. If I owned my own business, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. If I was a jihadist, I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. If I was Al Sharpton, I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.

For the foreseeable future, those are my litmus tests. Looking at it through that lens, which a lot of people share, it's a no brainer.

By your own admission, you can't fathom why anyone cares deeply about protecting innocent life, who believes that business isn't necessarily evil, who realizes that we are at war, and who isn't interested in engaging in false race-baiting. If you can't fathom how anyone cares about such things, maybe that (like your unwillingness to say Hilary lied) says more about you, than it does about everyone else.

[buckman]

[QUOTE=spence;1104574

Also good were the 13 hours guys who pushed the stand down order even though 8 investigations haven't found any evidence.

It's just a reality TV show convention for a reality TV show campaign.

As much as some people dislike Clinton I simply can't fathom how Trump can get a moment's consideration. Vote for Johnson or write someone in. Please.[/QUOTE]


Just because there was no evidence found doesn't mean it didn't happen. If there's one thing we have learned about the Obama administration and the Clinton administration is they are extremely adept at hiding evidence or deleting it. It's helpful when the media is also on your side .
You are all too dismissive of Mrs. Smith or of the two heroes in Benghazi and you have zero respect for anybody that won't follow your narrative .
You and I come from different places Spence . While you and your better half might of been rolling your eyes at the tears on the convention floor during Mrs. Smith speech , I also had tears.
See my better half has three wonderful boys, two Marines and one going in the Air Force in the fall, they are following the foot steps of their grandfather and I want them to have a leader that they know has there back . Hilary has proven she does not and to a man the people in the military do not want her as thier commander-in-chief .
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Jus saw on the news Melania seems to be having issues of her own. Stole some of her speach. She should just admit she used part of other people's speach - no big deal. But it is the Trump way.

Any thoughts on Patricia Smith's speech ?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Any thoughts on Patricia Smith's speech ?
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I think the way FOX and the GOP have exploited her grief is nothing short of astonishingly shameful.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the way FOX and the GOP have exploited her grief is nothing short of astonishingly shameful.

I hear Hilary is using Michael Brown's mom as a political prop. Her son was a thug that forced a cop to use lethal force to defend himself. I see your outrage at exploitation is, as usual, quite selective.

Spence, what if she is telling the truth, and Hilary lied to her? Isn't that relevant?

Gotta protect that narrative...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the way FOX and the GOP have exploited her grief is nothing short of astonishingly shameful.

More on this...that woman's son died while working for Hilary, and a lot of people feel it was handled very, very poorly. That actually happened.

Hilary is exploiting people in the name of a problem (cops killing black kids) that Harvard University just showed is non-existent (common sense has always suggested it was not true, but Harvard has the data to show it). Which is more shameful? Talking about a tragedy that actually happened, or using a false narrative to make people afraid of cops for no reason?

If Hilary claimed to have Bigfoot's endorsement at her convention, it would be no less valid than claiming that we need her to keep black kids safe from white cops.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the way FOX and the GOP have exploited her grief is nothing short of astonishingly shameful.

I think you have a very angry Mom , rightfully angry, who is on a personal vendetta to punish Hillary for allowing her son to be killed and then lying to her face about the motive .
I'm sure you have not watched the movie , and I'm sure you did not show the common decency to watch Mrs Smith's speach before commenting .
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I think you have a very angry Mom , rightfully angry, who is on a personal vendetta to punish Hillary for allowing her son to be killed and then lying to her face about the motive .Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Contrast that with reality and you have your shameless exploitation.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the way FOX and the GOP have exploited her grief is nothing short of astonishingly shameful.

And when your side was parading Cindy Sheehan around, I presume you found that just as appalling?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

That is so funny I had to quote it 2x.

From a person who is a member of a group where like 50% believed he the Pres. was a Muslim and think he was born in Kenya. Also, where EVERY Presidential candidate was judged to have been more dishonest then EVERY Presidential candidate of the Dem. party.

Jus saw on the news Melania seems to be having issues of her own. Stole some of her speach. She should just admit she used part of other people's speach - no big deal. But it is the Trump way.

"like 50% believed he the Pres. was a Muslim"

That was embarrassing. Speaking for myself, I wish he were a Muslim, because that's a lot easier for me to fathom, than whatever you call a lunatic who worships at the altar of Rev Wright.

"where EVERY Presidential candidate was judged to have been more dishonest then EVERY Presidential candidate of the Dem. party. "

And I'm sure that study was very scientific and un-biased. That's something that cannot be quantified. You are either a compulsive liar or you're not.

"Melania seems to be having issues of her own. Stole some of her speech"

Yep. If you're going to plagiarize someone, how about stealing form someone who has something worthwhile to say, like Churchill, rather than a horse's ass like Michelle Obama? But again, since Joe Biden is your vice president, I find it curious that you are offended by plagiarism. He got caught red-handed plagiarizing, and I don't recall you ever bashing him for it - maybe I missed that. What do you expect from a bubbleheaded, gold-digging beauty queen like Mrs Trump?

Good lord, how did it come to this?