No gun problem in the US

[wdmso]

It’s about weapon availability

The rest is window dressings designed to muddy the water
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

It’s about weapon availability

The rest is window dressings designed to muddy the water
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It's about your Constitutional Rights, exercising your Constitutional Rights, and the restrictions imposed on those rights. How do we effectively hamper only those that need restriction, rather than restricting everyone while only, maybe, occasionally, excepting need.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

It's about your Constitutional Rights, exercising your Constitutional Rights, and the restrictions imposed on those rights. How do we effectively hamper only those that need restriction, rather than restricting everyone while only, maybe, occasionally, excepting need.

That's completely, exactly correct.

"How do we effectively hamper only those that need restriction"

Answer - obviously, we can't. Not a chance.

If a democrat president can trample on constitutional rights because he feels morally justified in doing so, then a Republican president can do the same thing. And the people calling for Biden to be able to ignore parts of the constitution they don't happen to like, won't like it one bit if Trump declared he was doing the same thing.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That's completely, exactly correct.

"How do we effectively hamper only those that need restriction"

Answer - obviously, we can't. Not a chance.

We MUST find a way. Problem is the effort to find a way isn't being made. SCOTUS even stated that there is no reason why 2A should not have the RIGHT as default, like other rights. Rather than being the only RIGHT which is hampered from outset.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If a democrat president can trample on constitutional rights because he feels morally justified in doing so, then a Republican president can do the same thing. And the people calling for Biden to be able to ignore parts of the constitution they don't happen to like, won't like it one bit if Trump declared he was doing the same thing.

True

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

We MUST find a way. Problem is the effort to find a way isn't being made.



True

i agree we must try, too many little coffins. but it will be abused.

we also need to start electing a different kind of politician. Normal, productive, decent people.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i agree we must try, too many little coffins. but it will be abused.

we also need to start electing a different kind of politician. Normal, productive, decent people.
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Now you think morals and decency count?

Remember. If the shooter is:
•Black: He's a thug
•Immigrant: He's an illegal
•Muslim: He's a terrorist
•White: He's had a rough childhood & was bullied & girls never gave him a chance & he kept to himself & loved puppies & we must spend more on mental health.

ITS. THE. GUNS.

Mericuh
Land of the gun
Home of the grave.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

It's about your Constitutional Rights, exercising your Constitutional Rights, and the restrictions imposed on those rights. How do we effectively hamper only those that need restriction, rather than restricting everyone while only, maybe, occasionally, excepting need.

Like I said window dressing the rights been twisting the 2A argument for decades

It’s odd I have said own as many guns as you want and certain guns should be controlled and licensed accordingly

But the 2A extremist live in this fantasy that that’s an infringement of their rights and all roads lead to confiscation …


When was the last time you saw a Elmer Fudd at a 2 A rally ?

All I see are clowns in tactical gear with their tricked out weapons playing dress up. Mean while responsible gun owners like myself just sit back shaking their heads .. seeing 2A hijacked

Because that’s the image the extreme 2A groups want to present …. We are armed and dangerous

It’s pure selfishness . that’s how I see it .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

It’s about weapon availability

The rest is window dressings designed to muddy the water
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That's not all it is, and I can prove it. Here goes...we all have access to that weaponry, but 99.5% of us would never even think of hurting anyone, no matter how many weapons are available. A big part of this, is that more and more of us are slipping into that mental abyss, and that abyss is getting darker and scarier all the time as our collective moral compass gets more and more broken.

You are correct, if there were zero guns out there, presumably there'd be zero gun crime. Problem is, there is no remotely practical way to eliminate gun availability which (1) is constitutional, and (2) is realistic to implement. I agree it's time to try things that haven't been tried before, but I don't believe gun control will move the needle much. It's been tried so many times. It never accomplishes much. What will be different this time? I do think we have to try just so we can tell our kids we didn't choose to do nothing, but I have no reason to believe it will work. None.

If there were no guns, there'd be no gun violence. At the same time, if there were no sociopaths walking among us, we could all have machine guns but there'd be no gun violence.

There are 2 levers to pull here, gun availability and the culture/mental illness aspect of our society. Both parties are guilty of focusing on one side and completely ignoring the other.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That's not all it is, and I can prove it. Here goes...we all have access to that weaponry, but 99.5% of us would never even think of hurting anyone, no matter how many weapons are available. A big part of this, is that more and more of us are slipping into that mental abyss, and that abyss is getting darker and scarier all the time as our collective moral compass gets more and more broken.

You are correct, if there were zero guns out there, presumably there'd be zero gun crime. Problem is, there is no remotely practical way to eliminate gun availability which (1) is constitutional, and (2) is realistic to implement. I agree it's time to try things that haven't been tried before, but I don't believe gun control will move the needle much. It's been tried so many times. It never accomplishes much. What will be different this time? I do think we have to try just so we can tell our kids we didn't choose to do nothing, but I have no reason to believe it will work. None.

If there were no guns, there'd be no gun violence. At the same time, if there were no sociopaths walking among us, we could all have machine guns but there'd be no gun violence.

There are 2 levers to pull here, gun availability and the culture/mental illness aspect of our society. Both parties are guilty of focusing on one side and completely ignoring the other.

OMG Jim is going to prove something else, thank god he is here to set the record straight on the pressing issues of our lives