Iraq na Phobia

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Your perception of what I believe seems to be quite different from what I really believe. It's as if you don't read my words, but just respond with the same tired black and white mantra.

-spence

Maybe these statements were misinterpreted.

On the topic of Bin Ladens victory you claim we have handed him:

Originally Posted by stripersnipr
Bin Laden punches America in the face and then predicts America will punch back. That is validation?

It's a bit more nuanced than that...but you did just articulate his point!

As far as the use of Miltary Force against Terrorism
your statement was:

There's no military only end game...
Sorry I missed the only.

But having said that; We can assume you support (in conjunction with Military action) the Governments non-military efforts such as the wiretapping of Terrorists and the programs to investigate, trace and freeze Terrorists financial resources?

Any objection to the NY Times exposure of those efforts just prior to an FBI raid on a Terrorist funding Islamic charity?

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

But having said that; We can assume you support (in conjunction with Military action) the Governments non-military efforts such as the wiretapping of Terrorists and the programs to investigate, trace and freeze Terrorists financial resources?

Certainly if done within the law, and I think there a high probability that Bush has abused his authority in this regard in some cases. Simply because he has good intentions isn't good enough for me. History has proven that proper oversight is prudent to protect the liberties of US citizens.

Any objection to the NY Times exposure of those efforts just prior to an FBI raid on a Terrorist funding Islamic charity?

I felt that specific instance was a bad editorial decision.

But that's not to say that the media should abuse censorship of its own content. There's a line between breaking a scoop to sell papers and providing information the public ought to know.

For all the allegations I hear about a "liberal media" subverting the US government there's little discussion about the political idiology of the leakers themselves!

-spence

["uffah!!"]

All I can say to you spence, Get a rifle and walk the post!

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Bizzaro Logic:
Given the fact that combatting violence against American citizens with military force isn't an option, perhaps rather than attacking the Training infrastructure for Al Queda post 9/11 we could have provided some group therapy for those poor individuals who cannot control their rage and maybe a mass apology from the American people would have helped soothe their animosity towards us. 9/12/01 should've been the time for some serious introspection to determine the things that the victims of the WTC, the Pentagon and the American people in general were guilty of to provoke such an attack. After the root cause analysis was completed we could've then sent a delegation of Jesse Jackson and Jimmy Carter to Afghanistan to engage the Taliban in some engaging dialog. What the Hell do those Terrorism experts know anyways.

Dont forget: When we kill a Terrorist who is a sworn enemy of America we are handing Bin Laden a Victory. Yep he gets great satisfaction when the top leaders in his organization are exterminated.

You are the wings beneath my wings....anti anything....you make me sing.
You should be in Iraq fighting for what you believe....go get em Sniper

[Duke41]

I am pro killing the bastards con lying about Iraq and there involvment with Bin Laden. I am also sick of Bush acting like a King and Rumsfield the top courtier. Real kids got killed and maimed over there. We have inflamed not only the Middle East but a lot of the 3rd world against us. And I am certian that we come off looking like 3rd grade bullies over the whole thing. Did I metioned American kids getting killed!!! Thats a shame, a shame. 3000 empty spots at the Christmass dinner table this season FOR WHAT!!!

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Duke41

I am pro killing the bastards con lying about Iraq and there involvment with Bin Laden. I am also sick of Bush acting like a King and Rumsfield the top courtier. Real kids got killed and maimed over there. We have inflamed not only the Middle East but a lot of the 3rd world against us. And I am certian that we come off looking like 3rd grade bullies over the whole thing. Did I metioned American kids getting killed!!! Thats a shame, a shame. 3000 empty spots at the Christmass dinner table this season FOR WHAT!!!

Killing Terrorists is bad but killing conservatives is good?
Yeah okay.

[Duke41]

Man do I know how to stir up some %$%$%$%$ or what!!

[stripersnipr]

Whats that term?........oh yeah, "Blind partisan hatred".

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Whats that term?........oh yeah, "Blind partisan hatred".

Since when is outrage over incompetency and our harm to our troops partisan?

Talk about calling the kettle black.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Since when is outrage over incompetency and our harm to our troops partisan?

Talk about calling the kettle black.

-spence

It was in reference to the whole charge Bush with War Crimes thing................but now that you mention it; If only we could focus all that outrage at the people who actually are harming our troops. I know, I know, Bush is the true enemy yada yada yada, We hear the same crap all the time from Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong, Al Queda and Al Jazeera. It's real old. Done with this.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

I know, I know, Bush is the true enemy yada yada yada, We hear the same crap all the time from Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong, Al Queda and Al Jazeera. It's real old. Done with this.

So you think Skitterpop is on the same side as Iran and Bin Laden?

That's pretty perverted.

And it's really missing the point. Bush isn't the enemy but to defeat terrorisim we need to win by example. The real secret weapon we can employ is to reinforce globally what's made America great. On this front Bush doesn't have a clue.

-spence

[basswipe]

2941 confirmed dead US Soldiers.All these fine folks for a culture(religion) that HATES us.

God is good,god is great effing islam should be sh!t on my plate!

We need to leave there and LET THEM KILL THEMSELVES!!!Its what they are best at...killing themselves.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

So you think Skitterpop is on the same side as Iran and Bin Laden?

That's pretty perverted.


-spence

I suppose it could be considered perverted thinking if it ever actually occured.

But they probably do get a comfortable little smile on their face when they hear and read some of the crap the Left puts out in this country.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Whats that term?........oh yeah, "Blind partisan hatred".

Possibly self hatred.... and since therapy is questionable....you`re stuck.

Merry Christmas

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Possibly self hatred.... and since therapy is questionable....you`re stuck.

Merry Christmas

I hereby prescribe you to:

Fish More!

Merry Christmas back at ya, now go a couple of egg nogs.

[Duke41]

Gross, kids are on this site, you gotta remove this

[Bronko]

A little much Uffah.

[spence]

Wow.

I have to admit I'm more than a bit astonished you posted those pictures...I'm assuming they're real as I didn't launch them.

Of all the stupid things said at times on this board, this demonstrates a more serious lack of judgement than I can ever recall.

Simply pathetic Uffah.

-spence