No gun problem in the US

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The fact that gun crime is high in Chicago in part because of guns from elsewhere, is exactly why additional gun control laws aren't likely to work, unless you have a way of confiscating the 400 million that are out there, which isn't even worth discussing. Those guns are out there, and they aren't going away, and they are the reason why additional gun control isn't the silver bullet that the left says it is.

We need more than gun control. Way more.

Right no one is saying you should be confiscating all the guns out there. But there is a gun highway coming from other States like Indiana and Mississippi that lead directly to Chicago. Stop that and you take away much of the guns that are used in crimes in Chicago.
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[Got Stripers]

Copied this list from a friend. Personally I have no idea the list of school shootings is this long since the late 90s. Yes I looked up some of them to make sure not fabricated. Only mass shootings made the news. Majority were personally targeted. The facts and statistics really not important here. I do agree guns don’t kill people, people kill people. I also support the 2nd amendment if interpreted correctly. I do have problem with the gun laws not being uniformed across the country. Many argues about California yet most guns are purchased out of state. Similar to us M#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s buying fireworks in New Hampshire. My point is that us responsible gun owners have no issues waiting a few days for background check. While this is not going to end gun violence but it may reduce the guns on the streets and some potential tragedies.

Thurston High School.
Columbine High School.
Heritage High School.
Deming Middle School.
Fort Gibson Middle School.
Buell Elementary School.
Lake Worth Middle School.
University of Arkansas.
Junipero Serra High School.
Santana High School.
Bishop Neumann High School.
Pacific Lutheran University.
Granite Hills High School.
Lew Wallace High School.
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School.
Appalachian School of Law.
Washington High School.
Conception Abbey.
Benjamin Tasker Middle School.
University of Arizona.
Lincoln High School.
John McDonogh High School.
Red Lion Area Junior High School.
Case Western Reserve University.
Rocori High School.
Ballou High School.
Randallstown High School.
Bowen High School.
Red Lake Senior High School.
Harlan Community Academy High School.
Campbell County High School.
Milwee Middle School.
Roseburg High School.
Pine Middle School.
Essex Elementary School.
Duquesne University.
Platte Canyon High School.
Weston High School.
West Nickel Mines School.
Joplin Memorial Middle School.
Henry Foss High School.
Compton Centennial High School.
Virginia Tech.
Success Tech Academy.
Miami Carol City Senior High School.
Hamilton High School.
Louisiana Technical College.
Mitchell High School.
E.O. Green Junior High School.
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Lakota Middle School.
Knoxville Central High School.
Willoughby South High School.
Henry Ford High School.
University of Central Arkansas.
Dillard High School.
Dunbar High School.
Hampton University.
Harvard College.
Larose-Cut Off Middle School.
International Studies Academy.
Skyline College.
Discovery Middle School.
University of Alabama.
DeKalb School.
Deer Creek Middle School.
Ohio State University.
Mumford High School.
University of Texas.
Kelly Elementary School.
Marinette High School.
Aurora Central High School.
Millard South High School.
Martinsville West Middle School.
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Millard South High School.
Highlands Intermediate School.
Cape Fear High School.
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Episcopal School of Jacksonville.
Oikos University.
Hamilton High School.
Perry Hall School.
Normal Community High School.
University of South Alabama.
Banner Academy South.
University of Southern California.
Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School.
Taft Union High School.
Osborn High School.
Stevens Institute of Business and Arts.
Hazard Community and Technical College.
Chicago State University.
Lone Star College-North.
Cesar Chavez High School.
Price Middle School.
University of Central Florida.
New River Community College.
Grambling State University.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School.
Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy.
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Carver High School.
Agape Christian Academy.
Sparks Middle School.
North Carolina A&T State University.
Stephenson High School.
Brashear High School.
West Orange High School.
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Edison High School.
Liberty Technology Magnet High School.
Hillhouse High School.
Berrendo Middle School.
Purdue University.
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Los Angeles Valley College.
Charles F. Brush High School.
University of Southern California.
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Academy of Knowledge Preschool.
Benjamin Banneker High School.
D. H. Conley High School.
East English Village Preparatory Academy.
Paine College.
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John F. Kennedy High School.
Seattle Pacific University.
Reynolds High School.
Indiana State University.
Albemarle High School.
Fern Creek Traditional High School.
Langston Hughes High School.
Marysville Pilchuck High School.
Florida State University.
Miami Carol City High School.
Rogers State University.
Rosemary Anderson High School.
Wisconsin Lutheran High School.
Frederick High School.
Tenaya Middle School.
Bethune-Cookman University.
Pershing Elementary School.
Wayne Community College.
J.B. Martin Middle School.
Southwestern Classical Academy.
Savannah State University.
Harrisburg High School.
Umpqua Community College.
Northern Arizona University.
Texas Southern University.
Tennessee State University.
Winston-Salem State University.
Mojave High School.
Lawrence Central High School.
Franklin High School.
Muskegon Heights High School.
Independence High School.
Madison High School.
Antigo High School.
University of California-Los Angeles.
Jeremiah Burke High School.
Alpine High School.
Townville Elementary School.
Vigor High School.
Linden McKinley STEM Academy.
June Jordan High School for Equity.
Union Middle School.
Mueller Park Junior High School.
West Liberty-Salem High School.
University of Washington.
King City High School.
North Park Elementary School.
North Lake College.
Freeman High School.
Mattoon High School.
Rancho Tehama Elementary School.
Aztec High School.
Wake Forest University.
Italy High School.
NET Charter High School.
Marshall County High School.
Sal Castro Middle School.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School
Great Mills High School
Central Michigan University
Huffman High School
Frederick Douglass High School
Forest High School
Highland High School
Dixon High School
Santa Fe High School
Noblesville West Middle School
University of North Carolina Charlotte
STEM School Highlands Ranch
Edgewood High School
Palm Beach Central High School
Providence Career & Technical Academy
Fairley High School (school bus)
Canyon Springs High School
Dennis Intermediate School
Florida International University
Central Elementary School
Cascade Middle School
Davidson High School
Prairie View A & M University
Altascocita High School
Central Academy of Excellence
Cleveland High School
Robert E. Lee High School
Cheyenne South High School
Grambling State University
Blountsville Elementary School
Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus)
Prescott High School
College of the Mainland
Wynbrooke Elementary School
UNC Charlotte
Riverview Florida (school bus)
Second Chance High School
Carman-Ainsworth High School
Williwaw Elementary School
Monroe Clark Middle School
Central Catholic High School
Jeanette High School
Eastern Hills High School
DeAnza High School
Ridgway High School
Reginald F. Lewis High School
Saugus High School
Pleasantville High School
Waukesha South High School
Oshkosh High School
Catholic Academy of New Haven
Bellaire High School
North Crowley High School
McAuliffe Elementary School
South Oak Cliff High School
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Sonora High School
Western Illinois University
Oxford High School
Robb Elementary School

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Not a crock, Bob. Receipts Bob, I bring receipts. The difference between me and you on this topic is that I have at least done some homework and you are reacting to the feels.


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...hs-in-the-u-s/

Still waiting for a response here Bob.

Originally Posted by PaulS

Right no one is saying you should be confiscating all the guns out there. But there is a gun highway coming from other States like Indiana and Mississippi that lead directly to Chicago. Stop that and you take away much of the guns that are used in crimes in Chicago.
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Indianna & Mississippi require dealers adhere to Federal to do a background check before firearms purchases. They do not have the best state laws.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

My point is that us responsible gun owners have no issues waiting a few days for background check. While this is not going to end gun violence but it may reduce the guns on the streets and some potential tragedies.

I am a bit of a 1A and 2A absolutest but I am amenable for certain background checks, waiting periods, and some training requirements for certain things. But I am not compromising when the other side won't. I will not bend the knee.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Right no one is saying you should be confiscating all the guns out there. But there is a gun highway coming from other States like Indiana and Mississippi that lead directly to Chicago. Stop that and you take away much of the guns that are used in crimes in Chicago.
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Paul you said, correctly, that strict gun laws in chicago don’t do anything, because there’s a sea of guns out there.

Every city is exactly like chicago in that regard. we’re all surrounded by guns, and we can’t do anything about it.

You’re saying, stop the gun highway and you’ve solved the problem? if you built a wall around chicago today, you’re saying that would solve gun crime there? there aren’t millions of guns in chicago already?

If there weren’t any guns currently out there, gun control laws could
make a huge difference. But there are, so they won’t.

I’m not saying we don’t change gun laws where it makes sense, but we need to recognize that does absolutely nothing to address the 400 million guns that are currently out there, and whose hands they are in.

The way to make real widespread change, is to change culture and hearts. That’s extremely difficult, and we’re moving in the exact opposite direction. I don’t like saying it, but i am convinced it’s true, one party is completely invested in moving our culture in the exact wrong direction.

We’re a huge, free country that’s up to our eyeballs in guns. The more we move away from old fashioned values, the more of these there will be.

These things don’t happen with this frequency, in the 1950s, but guns were still common. I’d like to have a national discussion about why the culture then, was so much less prone to this violence.

Family, connecting with others in a real way, faith, empathy, humanity. Understanding that not every human impulse is something to celebrate.

Paul, we don’t like each other much. But you could have 10 machine guns in your home, and i know my kids wouldn’t be in any danger around you. I know it.

it’s not just the guns. it’s not just assault rifles. This kid walked into a school unchallenged,,and was allowed to do whatever he wanted for an hour. he could have pulled this off with a cub scout knife.

Guns are part of the problem, no question. But if we could get more of us to see others the way you see them ( as human beings), that would
also be a huge help.

and it looks like we’ve done nothing to make schools
much safer since Columbine. I don’t know why or how that could be

I’m seeing reports that he shot his gun randomly for ten minutes outside the school, before he entered. How could an external door be unlocked during ten minutes of shooting just outside?


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[Got Stripers]

Disturbing the new timeline, WTF is wrong with the police who thought holding parents back was the priority.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Disturbing the new timeline, WTF is wrong with the police who thought holding parents back was the priority.

Yes. This is going to be worse than Parkland in regards to the ineptitude of the police and maybe the FBI.

The police in Uvalde were armed far higher than the police at Parkland, many with body armor and rifles. They may have gotten some kids out, including their own, while the gunman was in the building - waiting for confirmation on that.

The FIB reportedly had a tip that this kid said he was going to shoot up a school.

The school may have had a lock system, but it was not in play.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Yes. This is going to be worse than Parkland in regards to the ineptitude of the police and maybe the FBI.

The police in Uvalde were armed far higher than the police at Parkland, many with body armor and rifles. They may have gotten some kids out, including their own, while the gunman was in the building - waiting for confirmation on that.

The FIB reportedly had a tip that this kid said he was going to shoot up a school.

The school may have had a lock system, but it was not in play.

how can there be a school that doesn’t have a kick system for christ’s sake?

i saw a report that an offf duty cop was getting a haircut. his wife and daughter were in the school. the wife texted him. he grabbed a shotgun from the barbers office ( it’s TX after all), went to the school, got his daughter out, got a bunch of other kids out, and apparently helped coordinate with CBP as they were entering.

i also hears a mom broke past police and got into the school somehow, and got her two kids out. the wall street journal reported that.

it’s hard to process it all. also hearing that some cops who appeared to be standing there doing nothing had actually been shot already. Lots more to learn.

Lock the god damn doors.
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[wdmso]

Mass shootings are so common that mayors now have a checklist for when one happens


I think the public honestly doesn't see Gun Law as the Cure for the Gun violence epidemic in America ..But they want more of an effort to stop it. But they see One Party! and if we're being honest ONE party who is willing to do Nothing and just make excuses

the Party of No has a track record of

they do it with Climate change (its cyclictic not a real issue )

they do it with green energy ( it will never replace oil no suggested it will in the near term)

they did it with Covid (it's just the flu)

they did it Masks (Its my freedom)


But this same party has no issues changing voting laws based on a Lie week after the election!

And banning abortion or requiring a waiting period for Them All for their small % primary voters ?


Many Americans not just liberals are tired of the the rights willingness to do Nothing. to solve the problem..

So some interesting stats on the Gun culture in the US

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-t...d-involvement/