In more this is a stupid time to be alive

[JohnR]

Protesting Boogaloi Bois in Hawaiian Shirts toppled statues today in San Fransisco.

They ended with the Statue of U.S. Grant. HOW THE FVCK is that OK? Arguably the most important person in the reversal of Slavery? What Lincoln decreed by the Pen, Grant implemented by the sword.

Here is Francis Scott Key, before they got to Grant. Spence: Look at all those Right Wing Agitators.








'The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia

[spence]

While I don’t condone vandalism compared to Trump this is nearly good behavior. Take the confederate statues down but do it properly. I’d stop short of anyone who owned slaves especially significant players in our founding. Grant makes no sense even if he did own a slave, perhaps they just need a refresher class in US history.

But seriously, these actions are due to a lot of bottled up anger and frustration. It started long ago.
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[spence]

Meanwhile...

On Monday, the National Capital Region Threat Intelligence Consortium (NTIC), a fusion center for Washington, D.C. that provides support to federal national security and law enforcement agencies, warned in an intelligence assessment that “the District is likely an attractive target for violent adherents of the boogaloo ideology due to the significant presence of US law enforcement entities, and the wide range of First Amendment-Protected events hosted here.”
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Meanwhile...

On Monday, the National Capital Region Threat Intelligence Consortium (NTIC), a fusion center for Washington, D.C. that provides support to federal national security and law enforcement agencies, warned in an intelligence assessment that “the District is likely an attractive target for violent adherents of the boogaloo ideology due to the significant presence of US law enforcement entities, and the wide range of First Amendment-Protected events hosted here.”
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How many Fusion Center PINS and Alerts do you see, Spence?



Probably as many as the Hawaiian Shirts you see in the above video.

As I said a long time ago, we can make a good case for removing the Confederate Monuments, but it will not stop there. It hasn't.

Democrats are not even TRYING to curb this but good job redirecting.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

While I don’t condone vandalism compared to Trump this is nearly good behavior. this is stupid


Take the confederate statues down but do it properly. I’d stop short of anyone who owned slaves especially significant players in our founding. Grant makes no sense even if he did own a slave wait what?, perhaps they just need a refresher class in US history. this sis not about history..this is about "fundamental change" and useful idiots

But seriously, these actions are due to a lot of bottled up anger and frustration. It started long ago. this is bs

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like John said....stupid time to be alive

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Democrats are not even TRYING to curb this

exactly.....

[wdmso]

Guess everyone forgets the 60s. I am sure those over 50 had the same thoughts
....stupid time to be alive...

Yet the country kept on moving ,, this moment will be no different a statue removal dosen't change history. Just the view

[JohnR]

Five years. The Progressive Institutional March Continues. But I guess I'm just paranoid

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Originally Posted by JohnR

I put this up on crapbook earlier. I fear I am turning into "Get Off My Lawn Guy" but I have a lot of concern about where we are heading as a nation.

So - I can't buy anything with a Confederate Flag shopping on Google (163 examples of confederate flag books alone on Amazon) but I can get 20 PAGES of Che Guevara (murder) SHIRT on Google. We are what we are as a nation, the good and the bad, as a result of that minor dust up 150 years ago. We do a disservice to ourselves, our history, and our future when we knee-jerk whitewash* with a broad brush. (* another term hijacked by the WordMafia)


People, we are getting into a very scary time. This fast paced Ping Pong match of reactionary bad ideas is getting out of hand.


What will the Censorship Mafia chose next?

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Originally Posted by JohnR

And Nike won't release it because Kap says Just Don't Do It. Frankly this sounds like an advertising gimmick that must confuse the frack out of the socialists. Imagine a corporation using their sympathies in agitprop , got people to talk about it dinnit they?

But I digress.

Colleges are changing names of buildings, the Founding Father's are being dismantled, everything abut our Country is now racist as the Cultural Stasi Marches through our institutional.

Everything is on the table. The Progressive Left will rip every monument down, every freedom, and every liberty.

The US Flag is next, just wait.

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Originally Posted by JohnR

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

George Washington's own church is removing a plaque in his honor because he owned slaves

President George Washington attended the Christ Church in Alexandria for more than 20 years and bought one of its pews in 1773 when it opened
A stone plaque that reads 'In memory of George Washington' is displayed on the left side of the altar, but will be taken down
A plaque honoring confederate leader Robert E. Lee will also be removed
The plaques will come down next summer but its unclear where they will head


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oring-him.html

We now have statues of Abolitionists, Washington, Jefferson, and Grant coming down.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Guess everyone forgets the 60s. I am sure those over 50 had the same thoughts
....stupid time to be alive...

Yet the country kept on moving ,, this moment will be no different a statue removal dosen't change history. Just the view

This is crap, Wayne. There is an opportunity here to fix things but people are burning it all down, the leaders of the we need to do something, are stepping aside to allow the Mob to devour, let's those leaders be devoured.

The time to stop and work together will pass us by. The more unrest and the more out of control things get will ensure that the next stage will be even more violent than the last.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

We now have statues of Abolitionists, Washington, Jefferson, and Grant coming down.

yeah, I'm restoring a life size bust of Henry Clay right now...can't decide whether to destroy it and save some triggered idiot the time and effort or to finish the work...

[Slipknot]

Not only are the Dems not even trying to curb these illegal actions, the other politicians like Republicans etc. seem to be silent about it so maybe they are cowards as well.

Anyone who agrees with trying to erase history by vandalizing, or removing statues because of someone's feelings, is a Communist and hates our country. If you hate our country, go to another country like Venezuela and see how the USA will be when you complete the pussification of America. This madness needs to stop now, take the video evidence and prosecute all who did this and make them pay reparations to replace or clean what was damaged or painted.
You want to peacefully protest, fine but don't destroy things. Some of those people with their pent up anger have never built or made anything in their lives, go to trade school or get a real education to advance yourself. There is zero defense for destroying statues, zero excuse, excuses are for babies. These entitled mindset people are not solving any issues the way they are gathering the media attention, all they are doing is having a baby hissy fit to get what they want, it is pathetic. And what is disturbing is it is working for them.

Teach civics in school again, Progressives have ruined the education system trying to condition our youth. And yes teach history and the reason to learn it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Teach civics in school again, Progressives have ruined the education system trying to condition our youth. And yes teach history and the reason to learn it.

and they've misdiagnosed so many of these youngsters and put them on mind altering drugs now they are all screwed up taking out their off- the-meds anger on inanimate objects..at least they are keeping the spray paint companies in business through this difficult time

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Not only are the Dems not even trying to curb these illegal actions, the other politicians like Republicans etc. seem to be silent about it so maybe they are cowards as well.

Anyone who agrees with trying to erase history by vandalizing, or removing statues because of someone's feelings, is a Communist and hates our country. If you hate our country, go to another country like Venezuela and see how the USA will be when you complete the pussification of America. This madness needs to stop now, take the video evidence and prosecute all who did this and make them pay reparations to replace or clean what was damaged or painted.
You want to peacefully protest, fine but don't destroy things. Some of those people with their pent up anger have never built or made anything in their lives, go to trade school or get a real education to advance yourself. There is zero defense for destroying statues, zero excuse, excuses are for babies. These entitled mindset people are not solving any issues the way they are gathering the media attention, all they are doing is having a baby hissy fit to get what they want, it is pathetic. And what is disturbing is it is working for them.

Teach civics in school again, Progressives have ruined the education system trying to condition our youth. And yes teach history and the reason to learn it.

I think there are legitimate reasons for bringing some down, and that does not necessarily make them a Communist, but there ARE Communists, Anarchists, and surely Opportunists pulling the strings. Though Spence and Wayne would have you think it is Gun Toting Right Wingers in Hawaiian Shirts doing this.

[Slipknot]

There certainly is no shortage of Opportunists. I despise them. Try earning it with actual work.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Anyone who agrees with trying to erase history by vandalizing, or removing statues because of someone's feelings, is a Communist and hates our country. If you hate our country, go to another country like Venezuela and see how the USA will be when you complete the pussification of America.

Statues are put up in honor. Taking down statues isn't about erasing history. Complete misread, but seems like the one the cons are pushing. Museums are for archiving history. Don't think anybody is breaking into museums and tearing them apart. Tearing down a Grant statue is stupid.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I think there are legitimate reasons for bringing some down

You mean there are statues that glorify owning slaves? or are demeaning to some people? which ones


Will the Flatearthers be taking down statues of Neil Armstrong, was it they who beheaded Columbus?

It needs to stop NOW

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I think there are legitimate reasons for bringing some down legally,

if we are just going to have fools running around with spray paint and sledge hammers destroying whatever is in their path with no repercussions unless something falls in their empty heads...there is no stopping anyone else from destroying property they find upsetting or "intolerable"....

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I think there are legitimate reasons for bringing some down, and that does not necessarily make them a Communist, but there ARE Communists, Anarchists, and surely Opportunists pulling the strings. Though Spence and Wayne would have you think it is Gun Toting Right Wingers in Hawaiian Shirts doing this.

I have never even insinuated that right wing radicals are behind the removal of monuments.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

You mean there are statues that glorify owning slaves? or are demeaning to some people? which ones


Will the Flatearthers be taking down statues of Neil Armstrong, was it they who beheaded Columbus?

It needs to stop NOW

Yea, we should celebrate traitors who tried to secede so their racism could continue unfettered. People have been complaining about these for the past 50 plus years.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Statues are put up in honor. Taking down statues isn't about erasing history. Complete misread, but seems like the one the cons are pushing. Museums are for archiving history. Don't think anybody is breaking into museums and tearing them apart. Tearing down a Grant statue is stupid.

Putting up a statue is a part of history. History records the making and placing of the statue. Those who tear down the statue are making history as well. Their little act of history erases the substance of the little historical act of putting up the statue. History is all around us, and is constantly in the making. The new history replaces the old. The old history fades from the consciousness of the new generations.

It is the everyday, visible, history in any community which makes an immediate and repetitious impact that frames it in the minds of the vast majority of those living in or passing through those communities. History that is depicted inside of museums is occasionally (rarely or never for many) visited. History relegated to museums becomes arcane and little noticed. Out of sight, out of mind.

Barbarians have always used as one of their first acts to destroy the civilization and culture of the countries they invade, the defilement and removal of its most visible artifacts which memorialize or symbolize the essence of those they conquer.

To entirely erase the history of a nation requires the total destruction of it and removal of all of its traces. Tearing down statues is just a small start. Then come the books, the art, the institutions, the people who remember, and the writing of the new history--the complete, fundamental, transformation.

Actual kinetic war is the simplest and fastest way to erase history. Political transformation of history takes more time. The Progressive destruction and transformation of the founding elements of our American experiment has been a century in the making. As time has gone by, things gradually progressed at a faster pace.

We are now at a quickening tempo of, and a broader physical assault on, the foundations of American society.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by spence

Yea, we should celebrate traitors who tried to secede so their racism could continue unfettered. People have been complaining about these for the past 50 plus years.
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Good thing is even children seem to understand there is a difference between public statues and museums and history books. "Towns still have public statues of guys who wanted to make (friend's name) great great whatever grandparents stay as slaves? That's crazy." -12 year old boy
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by spence

I have never even insinuated that right wing radicals are behind the removal of monuments.
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They are the "very fine people" with the swastikas and torches on the other side of some of these events.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Good thing is even children seem to understand there is a difference between public statues and museums and history books. "Towns still have public statues of guys who wanted to make (friend's name) great great whatever grandparents stay as slaves? That's crazy." -12 year old boy
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You, Spence, and I can have a reasoned discussion on why or why not a Confederate statue should be moved or not, and maybe even understand some of the history there. You would think a politician could too, right? Where are the reasoned politicians?

We are way out of balance right now

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Good thing is even children seem to understand there is a difference between public statues and museums and history books. "Towns still have public statues of guys who wanted to make (friend's name) great great whatever grandparents stay as slaves? That's crazy." -12 year old boy
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What would the 12 year old boy think would be different about the public statue if it were placed in a museum?

[wdmso]

Nothing last forever.. American has changed constantly since it inception and ever generation has complained about the future generations and how their ways of thinking were going to destroy the American life as they saw it. From the transitions from horse to automobiles to elvis's evil girations to that horrible rocknroll or gray marriage.. Americas future is no longer in our hands we had are bite at the apple ... restiance is futile.. change will happen quietly or by force History is full of examples of both ..

When you have leaders Like Trump who got elected on the idea of overthrowing the system ..( he wants to reverse Time) it's hard to complain when others disagree and want to see some of that system changed ,, ..not suprising the parts Trump wants to keep are thoses who he thinks have the power to keep him in power like doj military the police.and the tough people ... discredit the press history is full of people like Trump. Just not that many have been Americans ... so Trump has another 1st under his belt

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

gray marriage..

see this is funny...is this like when old people get married?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Americas future is no longer in our hands we had are bite at the apple ... restiance is futile.. change will happen quietly or by force History is full of examples of both ..

So why are you bothering to post so often? Are you just trying to tell us that our opinions are futile? Doesn't the same apply to your opinions?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by zimmy

They are the "very fine people" with the swastikas and torches on the other side of some of these events.
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There are very fine people on BOTH sides. That sounds like a unifying comment, not a divisive one. You have a problem with that?

[scottw]

the left continues to lie and butcher the "very fine people" comment...pretty sad


TRUMP: Those people — all of those people --excuse me, I've condemned neo-Nazis. I've condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee.


If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see — and you'd know it if honest reporters, which in many cases you're not — but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

So this week it's Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?


TRUMP: You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group.


You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

Q George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.

TRUMP: Well now, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down —

Excuse me, are we going to take down- are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?

Q I do love Thomas Jefferson.

TRUMP: Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

So you know what, it's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture. And you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.



Jefferson toppled in Portland......

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

see this is funny...is this like when old people get married?

Between a woman or maybe a man. GRAY marriage