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12-06-2017, 03:57 PM
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The baker was not hiring any potential employees. He was selling cakes and pastries which he made and sold to anyone who wanted to buy them, including gays. He did not, nor did he want to, make gay cakes. No matter who wanted to buy such cakes. When the government can force you to produce something you don't want to produce, that government is acting tyrannically. And those who speak of "rights" and characterize such things as the right to demand or force someone to make something that person does not want to make, those people have a very cynical and limited notion of what a "right" is.
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12-06-2017, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
The baker was not hiring any potential employees. He was selling cakes and pastries which he made and sold to anyone who wanted to buy them, including gays. He did not, nor did he want to, make gay cakes.
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Ok, so a gay cupcake, peanut butter brownie, raisin maple scone, bearclaw or delicate buttery croissant are all fine but if it's a wedding cake that's unethical.
Odd.
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12-06-2017, 06:01 PM
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Ok, so a gay cupcake, peanut butter brownie, raisin maple scone, bearclaw or delicate buttery croissant are all fine but if it's a wedding cake that's unethical.
Odd.
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That's the reason that religious liberty is protected by the Constitution. It is "odd" to non-believers. If being "odd" was a crime, there are times that you'd be breaking the law.
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12-06-2017, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
That's the reason that religious liberty is protected by the Constitution. It is "odd" to non-believers. If being "odd" was a crime, there are times that you'd be breaking the law.
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No, that's why we have Civil Rights and Equal Protection. Otherwise you'd have people claiming any religious exemption for anything.
And you know this.
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12-06-2017, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
No, that's why we have Civil Rights and Equal Protection. Otherwise you'd have people claiming any religious exemption for anything.
And you know this.
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The Muslim truckers refused to do their stated job, for religious reasons. The owners of the company were not allowed to punish them.
It's the Christians in this case who are being denied equal protection. This is why the Little Sisters prevailed at the Supreme Court, over Obama, who tried to deny them their protected rights.
Read the freedom of religion clause, and tell me how you can conclude anything other than telling the happy couple to find another baker. If Muslim truckers can refuse to transport things that violate their religion and not be subject to punishment, then the Little Sisters can say that they aren't providing birth control and abortions.
The Bill Of Rights applies, even when liberals don't particularly like it.
There is a Christian baker case at the Supreme Court right now. Thank God for Gorsuch.
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12-06-2017, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
The baker was not hiring any potential employees. He was selling cakes and pastries which he made and sold to anyone who wanted to buy them, including gays. He did not, nor did he want to, make gay cakes. No matter who wanted to buy such cakes. When the government can force you to produce something you don't want to produce, that government is acting tyrannically. And those who speak of "rights" and characterize such things as the right to demand or force someone to make something that person does not want to make, those people have a very cynical and limited notion of what a "right" is.
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Constitution, shmonstitution.
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