Trump visiting the Mexican Border

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

It wasn’t a huge mess until Trump and his policies turned it into one, but this is his bizarre strategy to create more chaos and amplify it by firing the department head. Now he will ramp up the rhetoric to instill fear in his base to prepare his 2020 campaign run to sell Trump and his policies as the solution to the mess he created so he could solve it. Classic move don’t be fooled.
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That's not true. It turned into a mess when the majority of immigrants changed form being single men, to family units. American law says that single men can be quickly processed and shipped back. American law precludes that with families, we have to hold them for a period. we didn't then, nor do we now, have the facilities for that.

The criminals are aware of our laws, so are staging fake family units. There's no easy answer to this. well there is, the answer I sto change the law and ship families back as fast as we used to send individuals back. Right now, theres a huge incentive for illegals to bring kids with them.

It's a mess, and it's not one of Trumps making, any more than the recession was Obama's fault.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That's not true. It turned into a mess when the majority of immigrants changed form being single men, to family units. American law says that single men can be quickly processed and shipped back. American law precludes that with families, we have to hold them for a period. we didn't then, nor do we now, have the facilities for that.

The criminals are aware of our laws, so are staging fake family units. There's no easy answer to this. well there is, the answer I sto change the law and ship families back as fast as we used to send individuals back. Right now, theres a huge incentive for illegals to bring kids with them.

It's a mess, and it's not one of Trumps making, any more than the recession was Obama's fault.

Ok so explain the spike?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Ok so explain the spike?
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Could be various reasons. Perhaps the fear that something may now actually be done to stop the flow inspires a whole bunch to cross over before it becomes a lot harder to do. Perhaps some leftist orgs like Soros's "America's Voice" are helping to fund a massive inflow in order to overwhelm the system in order to bring Trump down and to instigate a so-called "comprehensive immigration plan" that gives amnesty to all those illegals here and to make it easier to promote an "open borders" policy which can forever tip the number of voters here toward transforming the great USA into the tip of the spear that militates the global community into the great, egalitarian social justice dream. Or maybe it's just a coincidence.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Ok so explain the spike?
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i just did. instead of single guys crossing, they are bringing family units, because american law makes it far more likely that they can stay, than a single man could stay. they are gaming our laws. families are larger than singles. there’s the spike. plus our economy is absolutely soaring, and that usually drives up immigration, because there are lots of jobs available.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i just did. instead of single guys crossing, they are bringing family units, because american law makes it far more likely that they can stay, than a single man could stay. they are gaming our laws. families are larger than singles. there’s the spike. plus our economy is absolutely soaring, and that usually drives up immigration, because there are lots of jobs available.
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Laws didn’t change during this administration , but policies did.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Laws didn’t change during this administration , but policies did.
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Which new policy is the cause for the spike?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Laws didn’t change during this administration , but policies did.
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i didn’t say laws changed. but the immigrants are now changing their tactics, because of already existing laws.

why are you denying what is irrefutable? it has nothing to do with trump. immigrants figured out that they’re better off
if they drag children with them. that’s what’s happening, it’s haioening in huge numbers that we’ve never seen before.

take off the tin foil
hat, and
listed to wht the border patrol
is saying. that’s not a defense if trump
or an attack in obama. it’s a statement if fact.

so what would
you do, if the infrastructure was built in the assumption that 90% of illegals were single
men who the law said could be sent right back, and suddenly it’s all families with children, whom the law says need to be held and then often released? there’s nowhere to put them, and we arrested 100,000 last month.

how the hell do you respond to that? beats me.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i didn’t say laws changed. but the immigrants are now changing their tactics, because of already existing laws.

why are you denying what is irrefutable? it has nothing to do with trump. immigrants figured out that they’re better off
if they drag children with them. that’s what’s happening, it’s haioening in huge numbers that we’ve never seen before.

take off the tin foil
hat, and
listed to wht the border patrol
is saying. that’s not a defense if trump
or an attack in obama. it’s a statement if fact.

so what would
you do, if the infrastructure was built in the assumption that 90% of illegals were single
men who the law said could be sent right back, and suddenly it’s all families with children, whom the law says need to be held and then often released? there’s nowhere to put them, and we arrested 100,000 last month.

how the hell do you respond to that? beats me.
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Show me the study proving the percentage of crossings by fake family units, I know it happens, but I don’t believe it’s anywhere near the crisis and fear level Trump would have you believe; but then again it’s clear the base believes it regardless of facts. Do you admit a trumps rhetoric, current and future policies on the radar have resulted in the spike at the border, I’m guessing not.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Show me the study proving the percentage of crossings by fake family units, I know it happens, but I don’t believe it’s anywhere near the crisis and fear level Trump would have you believe; but then again it’s clear the base believes it regardless of facts. Do you admit a trumps rhetoric, current and future policies on the radar have resulted in the spike at the border, I’m guessing not.
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"Show me the study proving the percentage of crossings by fake family units, I know it happens, but I don’t believe it’s anywhere "

well, what you believe doesn't matter a fig. What matters, is what is actually happening. Watch the news, and listen to what border patrol agents are saying.

There are a million articles you could google, here is an article in the right wing, pro-Trump New York Times.

Here is a pull out quote...

"Traveling with children is helping migrants avoid detention"

Now, since you have clearly concluded that there was no logidtical reason for the increased separation of kids, and that Trump was just doing it because he's cruel, I'd love to ask you, do you feel like you've been duped, and lied to, by whoever you get your news from?

Huge numbers of kids showed up that weren't there before. American law doesn't allow for quick deportation when children are present. Those two things together, have created a huge logistical challenge. Add to that, the raw numbers of immigrants are surging, as poor people from Central America (as opposed to just Mexico) are making the trip.

So I'll ask you what I asked Paul...if you were president, and huge numbers of children starting showing up, and American law said that you can't just deport them as easily as you can single males, and you have zero infrastructure to deal with it, what would you do?

Trump separated the children while figuring out what to do. He is attacked for that (even though no one cared when Obama did it on a smaller scale). If Trump put everyone in one huge area, and kids were raped by a couple of pedophiles, he'd get attacked for that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/u...tics.html?te=1